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[spliff]

Hillery or Obammmmma...I think the Moonbats are trying to lose...

[poet13]

I will reiterate what I said before. She's not in this for the party or the country. She's in it for herself.
I really don't think she cares if she destroys the Democratics party's chances in the election if she's not part of it.

What an extraordinary lack of class and grace.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_florida

[bovinerebel]

[poet13]

Well, maybe it was just the pundits who suggested she would wrap it up by the end of the primaries if she was "done", but pundits usually get their ideas from somewhere.

The DNC has been trying like hell to avoid a scrap at the convention as
happened in '72 (I think).

I wonder if the superDs wsill now step up, send a very clear message, and finish this thing to avoid a convention scrap?

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[Kuros]

[poet13]

"SuperDs are trending heavily Obama right now."

And I'm very happy about that. I think they're trying to send the message without appearing to fall over themselves.

"Meanwhile, Hillary is not destroying the party. That is hyperbole. In fact, the extended race is actually good for the Democrats."

Maybe her campaign is not hurting the party yet, but at a certain point I think it will, especially if she decides to make the DNC a battleground. Well, it could go different ways. She could fracture her power base by being a sore loser. A fractured power base will be hard to block shift to Obama. It could be good because her followers may finally realize how incredibly self-centered she is about this and switch to Obama. The point is, if she continues to question his electability, as is her latest tactic, she could hurt the Dems in the fall. Yes, an extended race keeps all eyes on the Dem's, and that's a good thing too, but when it's two against one, the one usually get's a whipping.

"It would be worse if Hillary dropped out, because there'd be many who would still vote for her."

Is this before or after she wholeheartedly throws her support behind Obama as the entire Democratic party rightfully expects? And this article, http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/963217,polls052108.article suggests that they are already coming over to Obama.

"How bad would that look for Obama, if after Hillary dropped out, he still could not win (or could barely win) states like Kentucky?"

Cue John Wayne drawl....."Well, shoot pilgrim, by then, the election's over, and it don't matter for spit."

"As it is, she's not attacking Obama's character or policies, so its best for everyone that she stays in until June 4th."

She may not be attacking character or policies, but she is attacking his electability. Her imagination puts her math skills to shame.

[Easter Clark]

[Kuros]

[poet13]

You're going to need a link? Gettin'a bit professorial, aren't you?

Anyways, I did look for it before I posted. I read it today on Washington post I think...

[poet13]

Here you go...

"In her victory speech Tuesday night, Clinton made a direct pitch to superdelegates on the electability argument, hoping they would reconsider the two candidacies.

"I want to send a message to everyone who is still making up their minds, I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate," Clinton said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302499.html


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"Touting Clinton's Electability, Using Every Available Source

Democratic presidential hopeful New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton addresses her election night celebration at the Marriott Hotel in Louisville on May 20, 2008. (AFP/Getty Images) By Perry Bacon Jr.
LOUISVILLE -- As she continues to press on, Hillary Clinton's campaign is less about health care, experience or solutions than a factor no one would have guessed at the beginning: electability.

"We have to select a nominee who is best positioned to win in November," she told her supporters here after scoring an overwhelming win in the Bluegrass State.

Emphasizing the importance of a Democrat winning the White House, she said, "That's why I"m still running, and that's why you're still voting."

Both former president Bill Clinton and his wife now spend much of their stump speeches delivering complicated electoral math lessons on how Hillary Clinton will be a better general election candidate than Obama, citing her appeal in Michigan, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, based on primary results in those states.

In a speech in Kentucky on Monday, Clinton even cited an estimate by Karl Rove's consulting firm that suggested she would be the favorite in more states than Obama in a general election.

"In every single election map I have seen, she is beating Senator McCain handily and she is the only Democrat who is doing that," the ex-president said in Lexington on Monday.

The argument, while reflecting a campaign where a group of Democratic Party officials will cast the final votes, show how far this race has come. Clinton entered the race as the candidate most popular among Democrats but with party activists worried she could not win enough swing voters to win a general election.

The former president's arugment is also based on a host of assumptions that do not appear to be convincing to superdelegates, who are moving toward Obama in droves.

Posted at 9:09 PM ET on May 20, 2008 "
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/20/touting_clintons_electability.html

[Kuros]

[poet13]

Kuros. You're presenting a rolling non-argument, challenging individual statements rather than the overall argument.

No, it's non that injurous to Obama, but we were talking about whether or not her being in the race was a good thing or detrimental to the party. In this situation, YES, she is still attacking Obama, and hence, my previous claim that two against one is generally not healthy for the one. If the one (Obama) is injured, that injures the party, which in turn, hinders the party's chances in the election.

In short. She is no longer a benefit. She could be, if she were attacking Mcain. But she is attacking, albeit in a backhanded way, her own party, which goes right back to my argument that she is in this for herself, and not for the good of the party or country.

[plus99]

just over there throwing lemons?

you might literally be the lamest "poet" ive ever heard.







and.............

spliff is talking about moonbats. not quite the thread the OP must have envisioned. i love that you guys just post other articles, as if we weren't capable of using google on our own. the OP actually wrote something.

[ReeseDog]

What the hell is a moonbat?