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Catullus

Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Reaction to interracial dating |
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| I am curious to know how most Koreans respond when they see a Western man dating a Korean woman. Is this generally frowned upon? I have heard stories about groups of Korean men physically attacking a Western man while he is with his Korean girlfriend. I assume/hope that this is relatively uncommon. But, how do the people in Korea, specifically Seoul, generally react to interracial couples? |
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| My girlfriend and I haven't encountered any blatant racism, but we're both in our 30s, so most people assume we're married (and even give her my change at the supermarket!). I think most of the "racism" stories you hear are from younger guys who are dating younger Korean women (in their early to mid 20s). |
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PBRstreetgang21

Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard of these stories as well, guys getting beat up or yelled at, but it has always been second or third (usually) third hand accounts. Actually usually I hear it is gyopo's who dole out most of the anger, not native Koreans.
For me personally being a young guy in my early twenties, and I have dated a number of a Korean women, the reaction has been universally positive. 90% of the time nobody treats us any different that anybody else. That other 10% of the time has been people saying how cute we are, or how handsome I am (Im really just average looking), we've even had cab driver's tell us about romantic date places.
A good friend of mine who is my same age and has dated many more Korean girls than me has said the exact same thing, he has never found any negative reaction whatsoever.
I did hear one time of a friend of a friend who got beat up by some gyopo's because he was with he gf (third hand). A couple other stories of Korean guys getting upset but not physical( and I havent even heard too many of these stories either, but when I have alcohol is usually involved). A good friend of mine has a Chinese-Canadian gf and he told me once that an ajosshi spit at his feet (not on them) because he assumed she was Korean. Like I said all second or third hand, and even then not so many.
Obviously its out there but, I think its few and far between. Most Koreans seem to be pretty accepting. Of course, these are WHITE people Ive been going on about. I would hazard a guess that if you are brown skinned of any sort, this could be a horse of a different flavor all together. |
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agoodmouse

Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Location: Anyang
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Scouse Mouse, a poster here, has experienced it. I hope he doesn't anymore though.
| Easter Clark wrote: |
| My girlfriend and I haven't encountered any blatant racism, but we're both in our 30s, so most people assume we're married (and even give her my change at the supermarket!). I think most of the "racism" stories you hear are from younger guys who are dating younger Korean women (in their early to mid 20s). |
Do you mean you've encountered latent racism, then? |
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aarontendo

Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Location: Daegu-ish
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Never had much of a problem, it's pretty much drunk old men who will give you a hard time probably.
Only time I had a problem was on the subway in Seoul, drunk ajeossi bitched her out for speaking English with me I guess.
I've always wondered how much of it has to do with how foreign ya look...I have dark hair and a lotta people think I'm mixed with asian or something, but I've had blonde haired blue eyed teachers tell me they get crap sorta often. |
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| agoodmouse wrote: |
Do you mean you've encountered latent racism, then? |
No more than anyone else! |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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in 1998 I had some university student walk up to me and the gf (now wife) and spit at me and swear in Korean.
same year walking in Jongno I had an old man hork a lugie on my shoe. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| go to Gangwan-Do |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003 Location: 서울
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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it depends on how pretty she is  |
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: HBC
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Not any serious trouble, although my ex-gf and I were in restaurants a couple of times and she told me that the Koreans at the next table were saying it's bad for a Korean girl to be with a foreigner. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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it depends on how pretty she is  |
Right! When I had a not so attractive Korean girlfriend, no one gave us a second look. Now that I've 'traded up' and my girlfriend is hot, I get the occasional death stare.
I'm over 180cm and well built, so it would have to be a large group of Korean guys to muster up the courage to resort to violence, and thankfully that hasn't happened yet. But the death stare is enough to piss me off. |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Location: Cloud #9
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| agoodmouse wrote: |
| Scouse Mouse, a poster here, has experienced it. I hope he doesn't anymore though. |
I have in the past, though I have not had any problems lately. We get the usual stares on the subway, though if I get that these days I will usually do something to make them look away. I don't bother with any kind of confrontation these days - I find that looking at them and then licking the missus is usually enough to embarrass them into looking away. She thinks it's disgusting though
In the past, the biggest problems we encountered were usually in bars. I have had Korean men give me shit for hitting on their "girlfriend". I would usually point out the ring I bought her and then tell them to *beep* off in both langauges. I'm not the best person to annoy when I have been drinking.
The only time I have had a Korean resort to violence over Korean women was back when I was single. An old korean guy from my apartment building was in a bar drinking with us, and he told me "do not look that way". Naturally, I looked. He went beserk. There were "Korean women" that way, and I was not to look at them. I told him I would look wherever I wanted, and to prove my point, I looked again. He took off his shoe and hit me with it. I told him not to do that again. He did it again. I had a friend of mine who is bi-lingual kyopo explain to him that, if he does it one more time, I will cut him into small pieces and dump him in the river. He stopped, but my friends Korean girlfriends got very upset at the translation. Not to worry. It turn out he had been giving her shit in Korean all night about sleeping with foreigners!
Other issues have been an old guy telling her to go elsewhere on the subway (I yelled at him, and my language was choice. He lost face and fucked off!), and a bunch of gay Korean guys (in a gay club in Itaewon) yelling at her across the club for being with a foreigner. I called them out and they went back about their "business".
My advice: Avoid any bars that are not foreigner friendly, and keep out of restaurants where groups of young men tend to get themselves fuckfaced on soju/makoli. Stick to the nicer places to eat, those that are more family orientated, and you should have a great time.
Learn enough Korean to know when people are giving your girlfriend shit, as she will probably not want to translate for you. If you are new to Korea, just go alone to a bar and someone will speak to you. Have fun with them, curse a few times and if they are not phased by it, ask them to teach you a few nasty phrases
As soon as you hear something nasty when you are out and about, get right in their face. They don't expect you to understand, and (if they are older) they don't expect you to challenge them. Call them on it and make them lose face. They will apologise quickly, and learn to keep shut. Pay no attention to age, just go at them (verbally) as you would back home. Even if you don't know Korean, they all understand "*beep*", and will back away once you stand up to them.
Most of the negative encounters I have had were in Uijeongbu. There is a lot of anti-foreigner sentiment there due to the military presence. I also had a shaved head and looked very "GI" back then. Things have eased since I grew out my hair, and they eased considerably once her pregnancy became visible. Each persons experiences will be unique, and location will play a large part in the attitude of the natives.
A very small number of Koreans seem to care. Of those who do, a smaller number will become vocal. If they do, most other Koreans will realise that they are being morons and, whilst they will often try to justify the behaviour (I am sorry, he is drunk), they will not interfere if you decide to engage in a little "attitude adjustment". I have had bar owners kick out Koreans who were giving me shit once I got annoyed, and I have had other Koreans apologise for their friends and get them away from me. Don't get bitter and judge all Koreans the same way, as most of them truly couldn't care less! |
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articulate_ink

Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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and a bunch of gay Korean guys (in a gay club in Itaewon) yelling at her across the club for being with a foreigner. I called them out and they went back about their "business".
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That's ironic, given how many of them love white c0ck. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree that the prettier the chick is, the more you're going to get hassled. Also, they seem to be nicer when I'm clean-shaven, but get animated/disgusted when I've gone a few weeks without shaving and walk with a hot chick. |
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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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isnt it really pathetic that they do this stuff, i had some fit ass bar girl talking to me the other night, was ready to chat her up when some dickhead came over and stared at me looking agressive, i just did the same back to him, though after that she buggered off.
must be insecure about their small twangers |
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