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Gopher
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| After the inability of the Israeli Army to stay in the ring with 3,000 Hezbollah fighters beyond 34 days... |
under political conditions and restraints that would not exist at all in any Israeli-Iranian War, which would be quite ugly, and no-holds-barred, even. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| After the inability of the Israeli Army to stay in the ring with 3,000 Hezbollah fighters beyond 34 days... |
under political conditions and restraints that would not exist at all in any Israeli-Iranian War, which would be quite ugly, and no-holds-barred, even. |
Right now, an Israeli-Iranian war would consist of American men and women doing all the fighting and dying. The only thing the soldiers of "God's chosen people" would be doing is staying at home screwing the Ukranian girls trafficked down to Tel Aviv. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| The only thing the soldiers of "God's chosen people" would be doing is... |
When did the left become so full of hatred and bile? That is one of this message board's most powerful lessons to me. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| The only thing the soldiers of "God's chosen people" would be doing is... |
When did the left become so full of hatred and bile? That is one of this message board's most powerful lessons to me. |
"The left.." *Snorts* |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that is right: "the left." You ought to stop and listen to yourselves (William Blum, Michael Moore, Naomi Wolf, Rev. J. Wright, etc.), how you sound when you opine on this or that, especially re: the United States and Israel, from time to time.
And can you not hear the literal racist, antisemitic sneer when he says "God's Chosen People," above? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Yes, that is right: "the left." You ought to stop and listen to yourselves, how you sound when you opine on this or that, especially re: the United States and Israel, from time to time. |
How "we" sound through the filter of your rightwing Lords and Peers...
Lords and Peers: cockney rhyming slang for ears. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly think there needs to be a new term for these kind of people. The "left", as far as I considered it, was about defending humanity (muslim or christian or whatever) even if it meant that you had to step on a few dictators' toes if absolutely necessary.
The Balkans in the 90's being a prime example. Remember how fast that war ended once the administration got around to actually hurting the serbs with airstrikes. Right , wrong, black, white, grey. I don't really give a crap. That war was brought to an immediate halt with a few good bombing runs. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| And can you not hear the literal racist, antisemitic sneer when he says "God's Chosen People," above? |
Firstly, he didn't strike me as a lefty. You have a special lefty radar that I do not possess.
Secondly 'the left' is made up of tens of millions of individuals with their own unique views on a myriad of issues. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Secondly 'the left' is made up of tens of millions of individuals with their own unique views on a myriad of issues. |
Except they all speak nearly precisely the same language and employ almost exactly the same vocabulary where the United States and Israel are concerned. That is one way to identify them: initiate a conversation on the American govt and/or the Arab-Israeli Conflict.
I will respond to the hypothetical Israeli-Iranian War, above, however. I would predict that Israeli forces, air and ground, would "secure" their Lebanese and Palestinian flanks in days. This they would accomplish brutally, efficiently, and decisively. At the same time, they would aggressively move to disable Iran in Iran. I would expect to see tac-nukes rather quickly.
I do not know how to predict how Iran and possibly Syria and possibly others would respond. But once they did, I imagine that the United States and other Western European allies, probably Germany, maybe France, might join this as well. Then things would go downhill quite fast. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and potentially others would experience domestic instability and possibly see radical anti-Israeli regimes emerge. And then things would intensify, and we might even see something approaching a world war occur from that point. We do not know, for example, what consequences a radically Islamic Pakistani regime would entail for Pakistani-Indian relations.
But, in any case, I think the Israeli military would do much more than merely copulate with Ukranian women, although I have known a Ukranian woman or two and can attest to the enjoyment such activities might indeed entail. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| The "left", as far as I considered it, was about defending humanity... |
And this is how all ideologues present themselves, left, right, imperialism, business interests, communism, whatever. They are merely fighting for the universal good, defending humanity, etc., etc.
B.S. They all chose this or that side, and as ideologues, they bring a certain commitment to violent means with them, to one degree or another, and this entails violently excluding X, Y, or Z from their "defending humanity" grand design. Just ask Marx, Stalin, or Mao if you do not believe me that the left can be at least just as violent as the right in such matters. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| The "left", as far as I considered it, was about defending humanity... |
And this is how all ideologues present themselves, left, right, imperialism, business interests, communism, whatever. They are merely fighting for the universal good, defending humanity, etc., etc.
B.S. They all chose this or that side, and as ideologues, they bring a certain commitment to violent means with them, to one degree or another, and this entails violently excluding X, Y, or Z from their "defending humanity" grand design. Just ask Marx, Stalin, or Mao if you do not believe me that the left can be at least just as violent as the right in such matters. |
I don't disagree with a word you said. The point I was trying to make, was that the "left" I grew up with would have no problem going to war if the ultimate goal was to save lives. The "left" that I think you often speak of are the ones that wouldn't bomb a butterfly to save a thousand children. These "lefties" are just as morally despicable as the "righties" who go to war for profit or to push some political agenda. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| And can you not hear the literal racist, antisemitic sneer when he says "God's Chosen People," above? |
Oh, grow up. If I want to call out some people from my own ethnic group for a racist, arrogant self-annointment of such a ridiculous title then I'll do it. I realized long ago that I'm not "God's chosen person." If the Israelis want to call themselves "God's chosen people" then maybe they should pray and depend on "God" instead of depending on American dollars and American soldiers. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I do not know how to predict how Iran and possibly Syria and possibly others would respond. But once they did, I imagine that the United States and other Western European allies, probably Germany, maybe France, might join this as well. Then things would go downhill quite fast. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and potentially others would experience domestic instability and possibly see radical anti-Israeli regimes emerge. And then things would intensify, and we might even see something approaching a world war occur from that point. We do not know, for example, what consequences a radically Islamic Pakistani regime would entail for Pakistani-Indian relations. |
I don't think the Germans would join in. The great unknown in all of this is China. The Chinese have the ability to wreck our currency and economy without firing a shot. We hysterically crapped our pants last summer when they whispered about dumping dollars onto the market. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Yes, that is right: "the left." You ought to stop and listen to yourselves (William Blum, Michael Moore, Naomi Wolf, Rev. J. Wright, etc.), how you sound when you opine on this or that, especially re: the United States and Israel, from time to time.
And can you not hear the literal racist, antisemitic sneer when he says "God's Chosen People," above? |
60% of the people you criticized in this post are Jewish-American even though we make up maybe 2% of the American population. Are you sure you're not the antisemite? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| After the inability of the Israeli Army to stay in the ring with 3,000 Hezbollah fighters beyond 34 days, I don't think they'll even try to fight Iran on their own. The Israel-firsters Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, Feith, etc. got America into the war in Iraq. Lieberman keeps clammoring for America to fight Iran. Look for them to make a big push to get American men and women to fight Iran before Obama gets elected. |
You think Israel wanted the fighting with Hezzbollah to stop?
If the Iraq war was mainly about Israel then why wasn't the first target Iran who was more powerful.
And as for Iran I guess Liberman ought to just have kept quiet and not brought up the fact that Iran has been after the US for a long time.
I get it lets cover up everything that Iran has done.. 
Whatever you do don't do anything to offend the Iranian goverment.
Peace in our time.
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| don't think the Germans would join in. The great unknown in all of this is China. The Chinese have the ability to wreck our currency and economy without firing a shot. We hysterically crapped our pants last summer when they whispered about dumping dollars onto the market |
what woud that do to China's economy? |
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