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Bagpipes11
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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Crude Awakening... |
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| Have any of you seen this documentary? (Crude Awakening) If so, what are your thoughts? |
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Dances With Wolves
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| At www.video.google.com if you enter 'crude awakening' there's a ten minute version. I'd like to know how to see the full length version too. |
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crescent
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Discussing peak oil last night with some students I asked if there are any countries near South Korea that are facing chronic energy shortages.
North Korea of course. And NK is only getting by because it's being propped up by SK oil, rice, electricity and fertilizer supplies.
Imagine SK in a world of $300+ per barrel oil prices. Not pretty. They'll struggle to support themselves yet alone their beligerent brothers to the North.
I wonder when the powercuts will start kicking in. Poor old Lee Yong Ae from the Xai apartment adverts won't need that lovely skylounge gymnasium anymore, because she'll be trudging up 15 flights of steps to get home, only to discover there's no heating, lights or water in the apartment.
I'm off home ot New Zealand in three months. Hopefully I'm just being a drama queen here, everything will be ok and the world won't suffer some major economic meltdown and social collapse.
If I slink back into Korea in early 2009 with my tail between my legs and an embarrassed look on my face then feel free to call me Chicken Little. I actually hope that will be the case, but I just have a really uncomfortable feeling about how the world's going to be a couple of years from now. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiduncan wrote: |
Discussing peak oil last night with some students I asked if there are any countries near South Korea that are facing chronic energy shortages.
North Korea of course. And NK is only getting by because it's being propped up by SK oil, rice, electricity and fertilizer supplies.
Imagine SK in a world of $300+ per barrel oil prices. Not pretty. They'll struggle to support themselves yet alone their beligerent brothers to the North.
I wonder when the powercuts will start kicking in. Poor old Lee Yong Ae from the Xai apartment adverts won't need that lovely skylounge gymnasium anymore, because she'll be trudging up 15 flights of steps to get home, only to discover there's no heating, lights or water in the apartment.
I'm off home ot New Zealand in three months. Hopefully I'm just being a drama queen here, everything will be ok and the world won't suffer some major economic meltdown and social collapse.
If I slink back into Korea in early 2009 with my tail between my legs and an embarrassed look on my face then feel free to call me Chicken Little. I actually hope that will be the case, but I just have a really uncomfortable feeling about how the world's going to be a couple of years from now. |
Anda...is that you?  |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| kiwiduncan wrote: |
Discussing peak oil last night with some students I asked if there are any countries near South Korea that are facing chronic energy shortages.
North Korea of course. And NK is only getting by because it's being propped up by SK oil, rice, electricity and fertilizer supplies.
Imagine SK in a world of $300+ per barrel oil prices. Not pretty. They'll struggle to support themselves yet alone their beligerent brothers to the North.
I wonder when the powercuts will start kicking in. Poor old Lee Yong Ae from the Xai apartment adverts won't need that lovely skylounge gymnasium anymore, because she'll be trudging up 15 flights of steps to get home, only to discover there's no heating, lights or water in the apartment.
I'm off home ot New Zealand in three months. Hopefully I'm just being a drama queen here, everything will be ok and the world won't suffer some major economic meltdown and social collapse.
If I slink back into Korea in early 2009 with my tail between my legs and an embarrassed look on my face then feel free to call me Chicken Little. I actually hope that will be the case, but I just have a really uncomfortable feeling about how the world's going to be a couple of years from now. |
Anda...is that you? |
nope. He must be some other tree-hugging loony  |
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Bagpipes11
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| nope. He must be some other tree-hugging loony |
Interestingly enough, the documentary doesn't discuss the environmental consequences of using oil at all. It is more focused on what happens after we attain the Peak Supply of oil. At this point demand will exceed supply.
It is up for debate when we actually reach peak supply. And I am by no means an expert on the subject. I do however have a degree in Economics and the concept of peak supply is very real.
After seeing the documentary, it definitely caught my attention. I just want to have an open discussion on the subject and maybe get some different perspectives. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Even the optimists believe peak oil is coming, but they think it's two or three decades away and that we'll somehow be able to keep things going, finding lots of alternative fuels etc so that all 6 billion people in the world can keep on aiming at the "American Dream".
I'm a bit more sceptical of just how much all the techno-fixes are going to help. I'd rather be in New Zealand than in Korea when trouble comes, and I think that could be pretty soon.
check out www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net |
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Dances With Wolves
Joined: 06 May 2008
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It is really hard to gauge if all this "peak oil" talk is true or not. Lindsey Williams is the author of "The Energy Non-Crisis" and this book states that there is enough oil in Alaska to last the US for 200 years. His data appears to be backed up by scholarly sources. I have included a link to a lecture by Mr. Williams.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147 |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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As soon as this guy started talking I thought, "hmmmm, sounds like a preacher man". Turns out he is. Looks and sounds dodgy.
I'm going to go with my gut instinct here and conclude, nope, we're still screwed. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiduncan wrote: |
I'd rather be in New Zealand than in Korea when trouble comes, and I think that could be pretty soon.
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Yeah, there are definitely certain countries that will be much better off should the shit hit the fan. Places like Canada, America, Russia, etc, that have a ton of un-used wilderness just sitting there are going to fare much better than countries like Japan and Korea. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| countries that will be much better off should the shit hit the fan. Places like Canada, America, Russia, etc, that have a ton of un-used wilderness just sitting there are going to fare much better than countries like Japan and Korea. |
Canada has six months of snow. I can't picture life there without oil. Back to living on a trap line and WALKING that trapline.
Kiwiduncan, do you think it's somehow cool or fashionable to have this 'gut instinct' about imminent demise? Like, 'na na na, I know something all you lemmings don't'. I used to be like that myself. But I gave it up after my morbid outlooks proved insubstantial. I understand you're heading to the bush. I guess that's part of it. I'd rather be amongst people for now. Did you ever read 'The Good Life' by the Nearings (I think there name is)? Back to the landers. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| captain kirk wrote: |
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| countries that will be much better off should the shit hit the fan. Places like Canada, America, Russia, etc, that have a ton of un-used wilderness just sitting there are going to fare much better than countries like Japan and Korea. |
Canada has six months of snow. I can't picture life there without oil. Back to living on a trap line and WALKING that trapline.
Kiwiduncan, do you think it's somehow cool or fashionable to have this 'gut instinct' about imminent demise? Like, 'na na na, I know something all you lemmings don't'. I used to be like that myself. But I gave it up after my morbid outlooks proved insubstantial. I understand you're heading to the bush. I guess that's part of it. I'd rather be amongst people for now. Did you ever read 'The Good Life' by the Nearings (I think there name is)? Back to the landers. |
I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Maybe in 30 years kids will cruise past me on fusion-powered hoverboards and say "there's crazy old Duncan, he thought the world was going to end". If that's the case then I'll happily rent out my cottage for a few years and use the cash to tour the world.
I'm not really planning to head into the "bush" though. I don't want to be the next Christopher McCandless. I just want to be in a country with far fewer people that can actually feed itself. I'm hoping to be amongst people too - just interesting, eco-aware people who actually know there's more to life than Starcraft, studying and going to Lotte Department store every weekend. Personally I do think the vast majority of Koreans are lemmings, as are all the trendy lefties who think we can solve the world's problems with a few more shelves of organic food at the supermarket and some dance parties.
My morbid concerns about the future of the planet bore even myself, so I know other daves posters must certainly find my posts a bit tedious. That's all the more reason for me to go home sooner rather than later, start practicing what I preach and stop staring into computer screens feeling impotent and powerless. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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If oil got to 300$ a barrel, then alternatives would be more cost effective, leading to them being used more.
This seems similar to that old story(possibly untrue) where it was estimated in the 1890s that London would be covered in meters of horse manure by the 1950s. Of course they didn't see the car coming.
I may be an optimist but I think this is a similar situation. |
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