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Ronald

Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Korea's education system is getting better.... wait a minute |
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Yes, most Korean people and many foreigners that have worked in public schools will admit that Korea education system has taken some positive steps, but there's still a LONG ways to go. Yes, Korean students can wear their hair a little longer now, high schools are a little less powerful and have less control over a students future, and teachers are hitting students less.
However, I've seen brand new Korean teacher's right out of college coming into the public schools and you would think that after their own torment through school, they would have more understanding and compassion toward their students education. YEAH RIGHT. As soon as they start, they subject to Ajoshi's demands and their mentality takes on this view; I've struggled through school so these students should too. These "new age" teacher's are no different than the 50 year old men in charge. YOU think things are getting better? Students are still studying 12 hours a day, there's parents are spending more than ever on education, and their still getting yelled at, humiliated, and even hit. I see it everyday and those of you that work in public schools knw what I'm talking about. Just because Korean now has foreign teacher's doesn't mean things are getting better. We're just here by law anyway. Who know's what's in these Korean texts books and men that have virtually no organization skills are still in charge 8 to 1. KOrean school look like dumps and at the same time, Korea has some of the most advanced mall, subway stations, transportation, etc. It doesn't make sense.
NOw, we've all seen some of our Korean friends that speak two or more languages and even some with advanced foreign education that still cannot find a decent job here and women are basically laughed at when they apply for a "man's position". That's the benefit of this monster we are witness on a daily basis. What do you really think would change the system here in a positive direction? I'm not talking about the direction of western education either. I'm not ethnocentric. I'm talking about an education system that educates in an organized manner that is comfortable, the students can be proud of, fair, standardized discipline, text books with a global perspective, etc, etc ,etc.
I think it will not happen until the days students get through their years of 10-12 hour a day education experience and find no job waiting on the other side. It will change then when the college students rebel andsay no more. Yes, it has to be the college students. They have to be the one's that say NO MORE, this isn't working. Until that day, things are not changing. That's a joke |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's education system is getting better.... wait a mi |
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Ronald wrote: |
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah college students - yeah, that's it! |
Until systems of assessing students change little else will. And this will have to include a system of assessing university students that gets them taking original thinking and research a little more seriously, and having to demonstrate a certain standard of comepetency in their feild. |
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Ronald

Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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That's an excellent point also. I don't understand why Korea hasn't attempted to explore a teacher exchange program with English speaking countries at the collegiate level or in public schooling. Don't get me wrong either; I'm not insinuating that western education is the best alternative. I'm not ethnocentric or nationalist. Many westerners are also extremely narrow minded as wel, but we don't go to school 10 hours a day and spend mllions of Won on private education and tutors either. There's no excuse for it here.
The quality of the education and how it's administered is the problem.
The best alternative is public education that instills pride in one's culture and understanding of others at the same time, teachers that understand the new global age, books that are not biased, a clean, structured learning environment, activities that foster leadership and positive involvement, and standardized discipline. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ronald wrote: |
That's an excellent point also. I don't understand why Korea hasn't attempted to explore a teacher exchange program with English speaking countries at the collegiate level or in public schooling. Don't get me wrong either; |
Because that would involve giving foriegners too much authority and would threaten the existing system. Furthermore, very few Korean teachers possess the level of English necessary to teach in an English enviornment and very few Korean institutions possess the English necessary to work with foreigners. Finally, Korea has proven time and time again that it is not ready to deal with large numbers of foreign professional educators and feels comfortable only with large quantites of foreign puppets and window dressing. |
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Ronald

Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Well said, our presence creates an underlying animosity among Korean teachers. Actually, they just don't know what to think of us. They're either jealous of us or just laughing at us. The fact that a school HAS a native speaker is more important than the education recieved from the native speaker. At the same time, we're laughiing at them. We're not here to broaden Korean students minds, we're just here for conversation period Korean know their system is flawed, but they think so highly of themselves they will not question it's existence
Korean education has no interest in globalizing. Korean education is for Korean, by Korean, and with Foreign English teachers to benefit Koreans. We're not here for the global perspective. We're not here to enlighten. We would like to thing we are, but we're not. |
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Justin Kimberlake
Joined: 20 May 2008
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Korea's education system is getting better.... wait a mi |
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Ronald wrote: |
Yes, most Korean people and many foreigners that have worked in public schools will admit that Korea education system has taken some positive steps, but there's still a LONG ways to go. Yes, Korean students can wear their hair a little longer now, high schools are a little less powerful and have less control over a students future, and teachers are hitting students less.
However, I've seen brand new Korean teacher's right out of college coming into the public schools and you would think that after their own torment through school, they would have more understanding and compassion toward their students education. YEAH RIGHT. As soon as they start, they subject to Ajoshi's demands and their mentality takes on this view; I've struggled through school so these students should too. These "new age" teacher's are no different than the 50 year old men in charge. YOU think things are getting better? Students are still studying 12 hours a day, there's parents are spending more than ever on education, and their still getting yelled at, humiliated, and even hit. I see it everyday and those of you that work in public schools knw what I'm talking about. Just because Korean now has foreign teacher's doesn't mean things are getting better. We're just here by law anyway. Who know's what's in these Korean texts books and men that have virtually no organization skills are still in charge 8 to 1. KOrean school look like dumps and at the same time, Korea has some of the most advanced mall, subway stations, transportation, etc. It doesn't make sense.
NOw, we've all seen some of our Korean friends that speak two or more languages and even some with advanced foreign education that still cannot find a decent job here and women are basically laughed at when they apply for a "man's position". That's the benefit of this monster we are witness on a daily basis. What do you really think would change the system here in a positive direction? I'm not talking about the direction of western education either. I'm not ethnocentric. I'm talking about an education system that educates in an organized manner that is comfortable, the students can be proud of, fair, standardized discipline, text books with a global perspective, etc, etc ,etc.
I think it will not happen until the days students get through their years of 10-12 hour a day education experience and find no job waiting on the other side. It will change then when the college students rebel andsay no more. Yes, it has to be the college students. They have to be the one's that say NO MORE, this isn't working. Until that day, things are not changing. That's a joke |
3 words of advice:
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Three words: What's the point? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Please let's send ajoshi teacher to an inner city school in the projects  |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans teach and test English like it's a science. Hence the multiple choice tests. English is not a science, get them doing open ended questions earlier.
This idea was put forward at a Chungnam EPIK meeting. All I could think was, 'Yes, finally'. If students get 100% in their exams all the time, they'll think that they're there. Make them open ended and get them to work on their weak areas. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: Re: Korea's education system is getting better.... wait a mi |
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Justin Kimberlake wrote: |
3 words of advice:
Paragraphs and indentation. |
I'd like to also add "punctuation" and "spell-check" to that list. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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