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Julius
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SirFink
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| Pretty cool stuff. Though "tribe" seems a stretch as there look to be maybe a dozen people down there. Could a cargo cult be far behind? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Really hard to believe that they have never seen aircraft flying overhead before. There has got to be something else to this story. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Not saying anything about the validity of this either way, but the story just reminded me of this famous controversy...
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In 1986, nearly 15 years after the Tasaday were first discovered, everything changed. General Marcos's tyrannous regime was ousted and a new, freer, democratic government took its place.
A Swiss writer and Anthropologist named Oswald Iten took advantange of the opportunity to study the Tasaday without the former government's restrictions. He brought Joey Lozano, a journalist from South Cotabato, with him on his expedition. Strangely, when they reached the caves, they found them deserted. A search of the surrounding area led to the discovery of the same "Stone Age" people a short distance away living in modest huts, wearing T-shirts and blue jeans.
Iten and Lozano realized that the whole thing was a glorious hoax. Further research showed that the Tasaday actually came from two other tribes, tribes that had been part of the modern world for years. They publicized their findings through an ABC television documentary entitled The Tribe that Never Was. Millions of viewers were confronted with the images of Filipinos in T-shirts and Levi's laughing at the pictures of themselves from National Geographic. One anthropologist called the Tasaday, "rain forest clock punchers" who were "cave people" by day and went home to their families at night.
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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I guess I might as well say what I think on this: I smell an environmentalist rat.
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| ...He described the threats to such tribes and their land as "a monumental crime against the natural world" and "further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world." |
It seems British society is replete with Clive Pontings and guys like the guy with the poison in Twelve Monkeys who prefer we embrace radical change and revert to hunter-gathering lifestyles, the way "nature intended us to live..."
If this story takes off, it will become one of those stories that betray more about leftist Westerners' self-hatred and their insistence that non-hunter-gatherer human beings and societies exist apart from nature than it will show us anything at all about these allegedly newly-contacted people in the Amazon. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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I saw those pictures, too. How cool! I thought it was odd that their village was all in a line. That's unusual. Most people make circles or at least some more compact arrangement.
I'll bet last night every cultural anthropologist on earth was having wet dreams. I hope they don't turn out to be Tasaday. That was a disappointment. |
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VanIslander
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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| That dark skinned woman sure has an odd tinge to her skin colour: like she rubbed charcoal all over. At first I thought it a gorilla costume. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
Not saying anything about the validity of this either way, but the story just reminded me of this famous controversy...
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In 1986, nearly 15 years after the Tasaday were first discovered, everything changed. General Marcos's tyrannous regime was ousted and a new, freer, democratic government took its place.
A Swiss writer and Anthropologist named Oswald Iten took advantange of the opportunity to study the Tasaday without the former government's restrictions. He brought Joey Lozano, a journalist from South Cotabato, with him on his expedition. Strangely, when they reached the caves, they found them deserted. A search of the surrounding area led to the discovery of the same "Stone Age" people a short distance away living in modest huts, wearing T-shirts and blue jeans.
Iten and Lozano realized that the whole thing was a glorious hoax. Further research showed that the Tasaday actually came from two other tribes, tribes that had been part of the modern world for years. They publicized their findings through an ABC television documentary entitled The Tribe that Never Was. Millions of viewers were confronted with the images of Filipinos in T-shirts and Levi's laughing at the pictures of themselves from National Geographic. One anthropologist called the Tasaday, "rain forest clock punchers" who were "cave people" by day and went home to their families at night.
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Yeah, exactly what came to mind. Science reporting on TV and print has taken a huge slide in recent years. You can bet they get the story wrong. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Here it comes. Bone up! 
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You can bet they get the story wrong. |
The more I think of this, the more I am certain something is completely wrong about this.
If this tribe is "uncontacted," and those who know about it (how and when did they learn of this tribe and its location, by the way?) truly want to protect it, why not stay covert and produce pics from night-vision cameras or some other sub rosa means? Why traumatize the tribe by buzzing it with aircraft?
Etc. etc.
If I were a cultural anthropologist interested in protecting this tribe, there are things I would do besides buzzing it with aircraft and creating a global press sensation that just happens to start hurling invective at "civilization" and decrying Brazilian logging practices at the same time... |
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catman
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Uncontacted peoples are peoples who, either by choice or chance, live without significant contact with the larger civilizations of the world.
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I'm not all that surprised. I've worked with a couple of people over the last year that I swear have not been in contact with any civilization anywhere, anytime. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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The camp doesn't seem rationally planned to protect from other tribes or animals. Wouldn't they have used a circle or U shape? Also, wouldn't they have cleared more brush around their living area? That would be safer, no?
Either way, pretty cool stuff. |
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mises
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Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Is that enough people to sustain a healthy gene pool?? I always assumed that these settlements had to be larger to prevent widespread genetic deformities. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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They likely had some degree of contact with others, who had contact with others, and...
And I have a hard time believing that wholly isolated and "uncontacted" peoples and cultures exist on planet Earth as late as June 2008. |
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