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Immigration witchhunt using foreigners as bait . . .
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Immigration witchhunt using foreigners as bait . . . Reply with quote

Heard an interesting story last night. I ran into an old friend who has been in Korea for over 20 years. This individual had been a close consort when I previously went through some serious immigration troubles. His understanding of Korean culture, and knowledge of Korean law and systems is extraordinary. That being said . . .

He informed me that he had been busted teaching corporate classes 1 hour a week for an agency. Apparently, the agency had been raided by authorities and his name was found in their computer system. He was checked out as having only an E2 visa with his university (no additional permission). He was hauled in, and told that he had two choices:

a) Pay a 10 million won fine, and be deported without the option of returning to Korea for some time.

b) Work for the Korean government in a "sting" operation in deporting foreigners who are violating their visa conditions AND blackmail/close existing agencies who are engaging in this practice of hiring illegally.

He chose the latter. Supposedly, the operation works as follows. He finds advertisements on various job websites which clearly do not indicate F2/F4/F5 visa wanted (both full and part time positions). He applies and often gets an interview (his resume is impeccable, 20 years of experience in Korea at top univeristies and chaebols). Once the company offers him the position (without suggesting receiving permission from immigration or a visa run), he reports the company to the authorities. At this point, the authorities attend to the agency, raid the office receiving all names of foreigners in their system, track down these individuals (if they are in violation of their visa conditions) and deport them. Furthermore, they often impose a 10-20 million won fine for smaller companies, and up to 100 million won fine for larger companies (depending on how many illegal foreigners were registered).

My friend has claimed that 4 agencies have been investigated so far (including the one I used to work for with him). He also stated that he has been recently asked to locate foreigners who are using or selling drugs.

The only part of this story in which I question it's integrity is who he claims the authorities to be, that being, the police. As far as I am aware, the police have nothing to do with immigration issues, and do not have any authority to impose fines. Perhaps, he was refering to "immigration police". I will follow up with clarification later.

For the record, he is not the first person I have heard of that has reported foriegners to authorities, and based on the current government's agenda to "crack down" on illegal behaviors by foreigners I would not be too surprised if this story is true. Moreover, I have colleagues in agencies who have experienced similar experiences, and this is why they often keep F2 visa holder's ARC copy to use for their illegally employed non-F2's if investigated.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say BS.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds interesting...

If it's true, it's nice to see they are actually going after the agencies and not just the teachers.

The whole "lets use him to find drug dealers now" is a bit strange. Using a middle-aged guy (former university lecturer etc) in a drug sting operation makes about as much sense as sending a middle-school girl to Iraq to drive a tank...
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside:

If what he claims is true, about finding "drug using or dealng" foreigners, I don't find it that strange. He looks very young for his age (early 40's), and is highly connected within the foreigner community. He also claims that they have offered him a minimal sum for foreigners caught under these pretenses. He is extremely reluctant to accept.

To be honest, I truly feel sorry for him and worry about his situation. Based on my numerous readings on Korean culture, politics, and law, I would not want to be in his position. I emplored him to finally let go of Korea and go elsewhere, however, after spending half your life somewhere it's probably not so easy.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin,

Are you a hairdresser? Rolling Eyes
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... flight attendant?
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justin moffatt



Joined: 29 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cruisemonkey:

Why? Do you need a haircut? Wink
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
Cruisemonkey:

Why? Do you need a haircut? Wink


No. I'm bald. .. Cool ... and won't touch the 'play on words' there. Wink
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
He also claims that they have offered him a minimal sum for foreigners caught under these pretenses.

Rest assured this story is bunk. Immigration and the police do not pay bounties.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
justin moffatt wrote:
He also claims that they have offered him a minimal sum for foreigners caught under these pretenses.

Rest assured this story is bunk. Immigration and the police do not pay bounties.


Do you think Discovery Channel could get Adam and Jamie to 'bust' it?
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
justin moffatt wrote:
He also claims that they have offered him a minimal sum for foreigners caught under these pretenses.

Rest assured this story is bunk. Immigration and the police do not pay bounties.


Do you think Discovery Channel could get Adam and Jamie to 'bust' it?

Hell, we can't even get them to de-bunk f'n fan death...
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rest assured this story is bunk. Immigration and the police do not pay bounties.


Ummm.. Confused ...Not that long ago, there were posters up in certain areas of Seoul and other cities that asked local residents to report any foreigners they suspect of illegally teaching in their neighborhoods and THEY DID offer a reward of 2 million won for information that led to an arrest.
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Kimchieluver



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
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Rest assured this story is bunk. Immigration and the police do not pay bounties.


Ummm.. Confused ...Not that long ago, there were posters up in certain areas of Seoul and other cities that asked local residents to report any foreigners they suspect of illegally teaching in their neighborhoods and THEY DID offer a reward of 2 million won for information that led to an arrest.


That was an unfounded rumour. My roommate checked up on it in '02 and they wouldn't even call him back. He was not going to report anyone, he just wanted to find out if it was true. They never asked him for his ARC number and they never asked what he had to report. They told him to check the website. (back then the website was a heck of a lot worse than now). He was just going to use a fake name as a violator, but he couldn't even get that far.
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ytuque



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Immigration witchhunt using foreigners as bait . . . Reply with quote

justin moffatt wrote:
Heard an interesting story last night. I ran into an old friend who has been in Korea for over 20 years. This individual had been a close consort when I previously went through some serious immigration troubles. His understanding of Korean culture, and knowledge of Korean law and systems is extraordinary. .



If there were true, he would have an F series visa and wouldn't be in this situation.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS

There's a hole in the story. The "friend" works at a university...yet he has an e-2 and not an e1???

Nice try genius.
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