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ontheway
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: The real John McCain: why he can never be President |
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John McCain is unelectable. This video is only the beginning. As the campaign wears on, and as his age, decaying mind, flip flops and incompetence come to light, the American people will be looking for other candidates. The Republican Party still has time to choose someone else, but they seem bent on self destruction. This self destruction of the Republican Party could be the best outcome of the 2008 election:
Here he is, the REAL John McCain:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c |
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bookemdanno

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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Your thread gets my vote for "Wishful Thinking Thread of the Month."  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Just watch the video. Over 1.5 million viewers so far. It is really an effective hit piece on McCain. No one who is on the fence will vote for McSenile after watching this video and it will be there on YouTube, drawing millions of new views, right up to election day. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Just watch the video. Over 1.5 million viewers so far. It is really an effective hit piece on McCain. No one who is on the fence will vote for McSenile after watching this video and it will be there on YouTube, drawing millions of new views, right up to election day. |
Only the racists and the morons would vote for McCain at this point after seeing these videos. Or hell, just tune in to any of his recent speeches/pr disasters.
If conservatives wants to vote conservative, there's always Bob Barr.
The man can't hold a position to save his hide.
John McCain vs John McCain |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Just watch the video. Over 1.5 million viewers so far. It is really an effective hit piece on McCain. No one who is on the fence will vote for McSenile after watching this video and it will be there on YouTube, drawing millions of new views, right up to election day. |
Isn't Lew Rockwell is the real Ron Paul?
Shame on Ron Paul opposing government funding of alternative energy.
Just remember that ontheway called the US government fascist but REFUSED to denounce the enemy.
By the way those behind the video were WRONG ABOUT IRAN. There is strong evidence that Iran has has helped Al Qaeda.
They also at least in one case cut out part of what McCain said about being better off 8 years ago.
Last edited by Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee on Sat May 31, 2008 1:32 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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agentX wrote: |
ontheway wrote: |
Just watch the video. Over 1.5 million viewers so far. It is really an effective hit piece on McCain. No one who is on the fence will vote for McSenile after watching this video and it will be there on YouTube, drawing millions of new views, right up to election day. |
Only the racists and the morons would vote for McCain at this point after seeing these videos. Or hell, just tune in to any of his recent speeches/pr disasters.
If conservatives wants to vote conservative, there's always Bob Barr.
The man can't hold a position to save his hide.
John McCain vs John McCain |
only morons and moonbats would make a post like yours.
Anyway is Alan Greenspan a moron or a racist?
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/04/07/daily19.html |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Al Qaeda is beyond fascist and beyond denouncing. They are mass murderers. I have repeatedly said that they should be hunted down and captured or killed outright, individually.
As for denouncing all of YOUR "enemies" JooJoo, that would include all but a handful of the 6 billion people on Earth, so no dice unless you can give us a list of the individuals you want to denounce. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Al Qaeda is beyond fascist and beyond denouncing. They are mass murderers. I have repeatedly said that they should be hunted down and captured or killed outright, individually.
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Well that clears that.
Anyway I can take down an important part of what that video criticizes McCain for on Al Qaeda and Iran.
In fact just in the news today:
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Exclusive: Iran in Secret Talks With al Qaeda, U.S. Officials Say
Sources Say Iranian Govt., Terror Group in Contact About Militants Under House Arrest
By JONATHAN KARL
May 29, 2008�
Senior U.S. officials tell ABC News that in recent months there have been secret contacts between the Iranian government and the leadership of al Qaeda. It's a development that has caught the attention of top officials in the White House, the Pentagon and the intelligence community.
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Copyright � 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures |
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4954667
Now those who made the video ought to be honest enough to admit what the reality is but they don't have enough class for that. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Watch the video again. The reality is that McCain is so incompetent and senile that he doesn't know what to say about anything and has to have Joe Lieberman whispering in his ear to correct him. Lieberman may have been correct at the time and things may have changed recently, but McCain is too senile to know the difference.
McCain is a doddering old fool. His age is showing. He is unfit for office. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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No this is the history.
Iran and Al Qaeda is not just something that changed.
It seems to have been going on for a while.
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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Is there a link between Mugniyah and al-Qaeda?
Mugniyah met with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the mid-1990s, according to the court testimony of Ali Abdelsoud Mohammed, a naturalized U.S. citizen and former U.S. army sergeant who later became a senior aide to bin Laden. After his arrest in 1998 in connection with the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Mohammed testified that he arranged several meetings between bin Laden and Mugniyah in Sudan. Bin Laden reportedly admired Mugniyah's tactics, particularly his use of truck bombs, which precipitated the United States' withdrawal from Lebanon. According to Mohammed, bin Laden and Mugniyah agreed Hezbollah would provide training, military expertise, and explosives in exchange for money and man power. It is not known, however, whether this agreement was carried out. The relationship between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda is not entirely friendly, as explained in this Backgrounder. |
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11317/#8
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By Noah Pollak
It is long past time that one important piece of fantastical rubbish be finally sent on its way: this is the idea that Islamists maintain some kind of fastidious ethnic and theological separatism when it comes to who they're willing to work with on killing people. The co-option of Hamas and Islamic Jihad (Sunni Arab) by Iran (Shia Persian) is one piece of reality that intrudes on this comforting notion; so is the Iran-Syria alliance, along with the reality of Iranian support for both Shia and Sunni insurgents in Iraq.
A final nail in the coffin comes today from Eli Lake, the New York Sun's talented national security reporter (and good friend). Eli's scoop is about the National Intelligence Estimate, an unclassified summary of which will be released today, but whose classified final working draft concludes that:
One of two known Al Qaeda leadership councils meets regularly in eastern Iran, where the American intelligence community believes dozens of senior Al Qaeda leaders have reconstituted a good part of the terror conglomerate's senior leadership structure.
Iranian hospitality toward Al Qaeda is not a new story -- but what is new is the apparent fact that one of two Qaeda leadership councils meets in Iran, and with the complicity of the regime. As Eli notes:
An intelligence official sympathetic to the view that it is a matter of Iranian policy to cooperate with Al Qaeda disputed the CIA and State Department view that the Quds Force is operating as a rogue force. "It is just impossible to believe that what the Quds Force does with Al Qaeda does not represent a decision of the government," the official, who asked not to be identified, said. "It's a bit like saying the directorate of operations for the CIA is not really carrying out U.S. policy."
Stories like these reinforce another very basic idea: terrorism has a return address. |
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001492.html
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On al-Qaeda, the picture is more murky. Iran and Osama bin Laden's movement are hardly natural allies � Tehran almost went to war with al-Qaeda's Taliban hosts in Afghanistan in 1998, following Taliban massacres of Afghan Shiites. The extremist theology that inspires both the Taliban and al-Qaeda sees Shiites as infidels, although bin Laden is on record advocating unity for purposes of anti-American jihad. The reformist elected leadership in Tehran has sought to repair its relationships with the West and rehabilitate Iran diplomatically, but the hard-liners may have hedged their bets. It remains unlikely that the government of President Mohammed Khatami has made common cause with al-Qaeda operatives, although it has long been alleged that hard-liners in the Revolutionary Guard have unofficially provided some with shelter in Iran. Al-Qaeda may also have set up shop in the predominantly Sunni border region of eastern Iran, where central government authority is more limited and the authorities have lost thousands of men in battles with smugglers. |
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,455276,00.html
Those who made the video ought to be honest about their mistake.
Well they just don't have the class to. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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No this is the history. |
No, this is threadhijacking, and it's getting damn old, Joo. Say something about John McCain or find some other place to talk about Al Queda.
Say something like this:
The Bobster: "Much as I am opposed to age discrimination, I think it's fair to say that when voting for John MCCain the choice of running just might be a little more important than it would be if voting for a younger man. You can vote against the guy running for Commander-in-Chief, and you can also vote against whoever he's going to choose who will possibly have to finish the term of office."
See? That's not so hard.
Actually, even without the age factor, his platform is nothing but the same Bushist policies which have failed so spectacularly so far. It's very easy to vote against John "Bush-Lite" McCain. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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The video had some info that was not accurate and some that was out of context . How would you suggest I mention it?
One more thing as I have mentioned before in another thread McCain is younger than Ron Paul. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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After he helped run the economy into the ground, yes. A moron, certainly. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
No this is the history.
Iran and Al Qaeda is not just something that changed.
It seems to have been going on for a while.
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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Is there a link between Mugniyah and al-Qaeda?
Mugniyah met with al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the mid-1990s, according to the court testimony of Ali Abdelsoud Mohammed, a naturalized U.S. citizen and former U.S. army sergeant who later became a senior aide to bin Laden. After his arrest in 1998 in connection with the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Mohammed testified that he arranged several meetings between bin Laden and Mugniyah in Sudan. Bin Laden reportedly admired Mugniyah's tactics, particularly his use of truck bombs, which precipitated the United States' withdrawal from Lebanon. According to Mohammed, bin Laden and Mugniyah agreed Hezbollah would provide training, military expertise, and explosives in exchange for money and man power. It is not known, however, whether this agreement was carried out. The relationship between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda is not entirely friendly, as explained in this Backgrounder. |
http://www.cfr.org/publication/11317/#8
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By Noah Pollak
It is long past time that one important piece of fantastical rubbish be finally sent on its way: this is the idea that Islamists maintain some kind of fastidious ethnic and theological separatism when it comes to who they're willing to work with on killing people. The co-option of Hamas and Islamic Jihad (Sunni Arab) by Iran (Shia Persian) is one piece of reality that intrudes on this comforting notion; so is the Iran-Syria alliance, along with the reality of Iranian support for both Shia and Sunni insurgents in Iraq.
A final nail in the coffin comes today from Eli Lake, the New York Sun's talented national security reporter (and good friend). Eli's scoop is about the National Intelligence Estimate, an unclassified summary of which will be released today, but whose classified final working draft concludes that:
One of two known Al Qaeda leadership councils meets regularly in eastern Iran, where the American intelligence community believes dozens of senior Al Qaeda leaders have reconstituted a good part of the terror conglomerate's senior leadership structure.
Iranian hospitality toward Al Qaeda is not a new story -- but what is new is the apparent fact that one of two Qaeda leadership councils meets in Iran, and with the complicity of the regime. As Eli notes:
An intelligence official sympathetic to the view that it is a matter of Iranian policy to cooperate with Al Qaeda disputed the CIA and State Department view that the Quds Force is operating as a rogue force. "It is just impossible to believe that what the Quds Force does with Al Qaeda does not represent a decision of the government," the official, who asked not to be identified, said. "It's a bit like saying the directorate of operations for the CIA is not really carrying out U.S. policy."
Stories like these reinforce another very basic idea: terrorism has a return address. |
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/001492.html
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On al-Qaeda, the picture is more murky. Iran and Osama bin Laden's movement are hardly natural allies � Tehran almost went to war with al-Qaeda's Taliban hosts in Afghanistan in 1998, following Taliban massacres of Afghan Shiites. The extremist theology that inspires both the Taliban and al-Qaeda sees Shiites as infidels, although bin Laden is on record advocating unity for purposes of anti-American jihad. The reformist elected leadership in Tehran has sought to repair its relationships with the West and rehabilitate Iran diplomatically, but the hard-liners may have hedged their bets. It remains unlikely that the government of President Mohammed Khatami has made common cause with al-Qaeda operatives, although it has long been alleged that hard-liners in the Revolutionary Guard have [b]unofficially provided some with shelter in Iran. Al-Qaeda may also have set up shop in the predominantly Sunni border region of eastern Iran, where central government authority is more limited and the authorities have lost thousands of men in battles with smugglers[/b]. |
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,455276,00.html
Those who made the video ought to be honest about their mistake.
Well they just don't have the class to. |
All speculation and no physical evidence. Try again, Vice President Cheney. |
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