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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Opinions welcome.... Reply with quote

Am considering re-signing at my hagwan for another year starting about the beginning of September. Have been teaching at this current place (part of the Jung Chul chain) for (almost) one year. Have been making 2.2 million p/m.

All things considered its not a bad place. All the Korean staff are pretty friendly by and large. The director micromanages a little too much for my liking but for the most part leaves me alone as long as I keep to the schedule. No real issues regarding pension or health insurance. Generally the atmosphere in the school is good.

The thing is I would like to ask for 2.4 million to re-sign for another year. I have been teaching in Korea in total for about six years. Five of those at another hagwon and one year at a public school. What are your opinions about asking for a 10% pay rise?

I feel its what I would get anyway if I were to go back to public school teaching. And with my experience coupled with the fact that teachers are going to be more scarce, I dont think I'm being too greedy.

What would you do?

- falco.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want 2.4, ask for 2.6.

Stand your ground; and don't be swayed in the least by the utterance of a gutteral "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaak'. Wink
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

slavelaborprogram wrote:
Best of lack.


I don't have any balls either. Cool
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last edited by fustiancorduroy on Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:05 am; edited 1 time in total
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"- Teach Korea's best students English speaking, listening, reading, and writing".
"- 3.4 montly salary with housing, long vacations".


HAHAHAHAHA!....... Rolling Eyes

Wow......I didnt realise you'd become a Professor overnight.

I guess some people will say anything to make themselves feel good.

- falco.
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
Not to sound rude OP, but you've been here that long and are still making so little money? To illustrate why I say this, I'll use my two years here as an example:

Job #1
- Wonderland Hagwon in Incheon
- July 2006 - September 2006
- Taught middle school students
- 2.0 monthly salary with free housing
- Was asked to leave the middle school section because I was "too soft" on the students. Offered a job teaching kindy. Turned it down.

Job #2
- Small hagwon in Guri run by an American and his Korean wife
- October 2006 - January 2007
- Taught elementary and middle school students
- 2.2 monthly salary with free housing
- Was fired because half of my students quit the school. I was still a pretty bad teacher then, being especially bad with elementary school kids.

Job #3
- Larger but new TOEFL hagwon in Nowon-gu
- February 2007 - January 2008
- Wrote the hagwon's textbooks. Occasionally taught classes to middle and high school students
- 2.8 montly salary with housing
- Stayed the whole year. Learned how to write three textbooks in one month with the help of only one other person (prospective employers are really impressed when I show them the books I planed and wrote from scratch). Learned that a hagwon is ultimately a business that relies on exaggerated claims to be succesful, not an educational institution (this is perhaps the most important lesson to learn here). Learned how to sell my merits. Became a much better teacher.

Job #4 (Current job)
- Korea's #1 high school (as seen in the New York Times!)
- March 2008 - Currently
- Teach Korea's best students English speaking, listening, reading, and writing
- 3.4 montly salary with housing, long vacations
- Have been at the school for about 3 months and am loving it. Almost every student is hard-working, talented, and respectful. Even my "bad" students are still good. Co-workers are also talented and hard-working (unlike the majority of my previous co-workers). Problems are fixed, not left in limbo indefinitely. Better and shorter working hours. Three months vacation. And, this is important to me, I finally feel like a "real" teacher.


As one of my friends (the co-worker who wrote the textbooks with me at job #3) said, "[I] have moved up in the ESL game here pretty quickly." I'm inclined to agree, but anyone can. You just have to know how to sell yourself and know to not become complacent. Unless you are happy making 2.whatever at Joe Blow Hagwon, in which case good luck.


Good for you, but I'm calling B$!
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Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moi aussi...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
Not to sound rude OP, but you've been here that long and are still making so little money? To illustrate why I say this, I'll use my two years here as an example:

Job #4 (Current job)
- Korea's #1 high school (as seen in the New York Times!)
- March 2008 - Currently
- Teach Korea's best students English speaking, listening, reading, and writing
- 3.4 montly salary with housing, long vacations
- Have been at the school for about 3 months and am loving it. Almost every student is hard-working, talented, and respectful. Even my "bad" students are still good. Co-workers are also talented and hard-working (unlike the majority of my previous co-workers). Problems are fixed, not left in limbo indefinitely. Better and shorter working hours. Three months vacation. And, this is important to me, I finally feel like a "real" teacher.


As one of my friends (the co-worker who wrote the textbooks with me at job #3) said, "[I] have moved up in the ESL game here pretty quickly." I'm inclined to agree, but anyone can. You just have to know how to sell yourself and know to not become complacent. Unless you are happy making 2.whatever at Joe Blow Hagwon, in which case good luck.



However in this thread you said that you were paid by class, not monthly


http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1669347#1669347

And three months vacation at a public school? Yeah if you count weekends then maybe. Even the Korean teachers don't get that much.
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fustiancorduroy



Joined: 12 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right about that. I am paid per class (at the rate of 33,000 won per class). My pay averages to 3.4 million per month (some months I teach 96 hours per month, others 106).

I don't get paid for red holidays. That does suck, but I do get paid for other days off (such as the students taking standardized tests). The lowest monthly pay I have gotten is about 3.2 million.

I don't work at a public school. I work at a private foreign language high school, the top-ranked in Korea. I get July, August, and January off.

I know a lot of people exaggerate on here (why wouldn't they?), but everything I said is true. If you really want to find out, just send me a PM and we'll meet up in Seoul. I'll give you my business card from the FLHS and tour of the school, if you're interested.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
Job #1 - July 2006 - September 2006

Job #2 - October 2006 - January 2007
- Taught elementary and middle school students

Job #3 - February 2007 - January 2008
- Wrote the hagwon's textbooks. Occasionally taught classes to middle and high school students
- Stayed the whole year. Learned how to write three textbooks in one month with the help of only one other person (prospective employers are really impressed when I show them the books I planed and wrote from scratch).

Job #4 - Korea's #1 high school (as seen in the New York Times!)
- March 2008 - Currently
- Teach Korea's best students English speaking, listening, reading, and writing
- 3.4 montly salary with housing, long vacations


I'd love to see the "about the author" pages in those textbooks you wrote.

Joe Blow is currently at his third school in under a year after having been fired for being incompetent and losing lots of students. He may have failed as a teacher, but hey! He can write GREAT textbooks!

Seriously, you got canned by a school that only fires people if they are completely incompetent (judging by the teachers they didn't fire and should have), then lucked yourself into another school where you lost 1/2 the students and got canned again. Then you somehow lucked yourself into yet ANOTHER job.

I wouldn't be offering career advice, but rather advice on how to get lucky as hell here.

KPRROK
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
You're right about that. I am paid per class (at the rate of 33,000 won per class). My pay averages to 3.4 million per month (some months I teach 96 hours per month, others 106).

I don't get paid for red holidays. That does suck, but I do get paid for other days off (such as the students taking standardized tests). The lowest monthly pay I have gotten is about 3.2 million.

I don't work at a public school. I work at a private foreign language high school, the top-ranked in Korea. I get July, August, and January off.

I know a lot of people exaggerate on here (why wouldn't they?), but everything I said is true. If you really want to find out, just send me a PM and we'll meet up in Seoul. I'll give you my business card from the FLHS and tour of the school, if you're interested.


So you don't get paid for red days, and you are paid per class taught. And you have 3 months vacation? Unpaid? Sparkling!
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UberJRI



Joined: 22 Apr 2008
Location: Not where I want to be...yet

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we're being a bit harsh to the OP... Sure, you're always going to find people who brag and lie on the internet, but we shouldn't assume that everyone who makes more than the standard amount of money and has a slightly better-than-most work schedule and working conditions even after a rocky start is lying. Judging from many posts here that I've read, a lot of people get off to a bad start, it's not always because they're incompetent or because they can't teach: there are so many other factors to consider when you think about why a person might have caught some bad luck. That's just my two cents...

This reminds me of the other post that's currently running about the guy whose friend was arrested for illegal teaching and then given a choice between either a 10 million won fine or help catch illegal teachers and/or drug deals. Sure, it's odd, but isn't this Korea? A lot of strange things happen here. Who's to say with proof that either one of those posters is lying? Just because something defies logic does not make it false.
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bodybydada



Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: Jinju

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too think you all are a little hard on him. especially that last guy, whoever you are.

I understood his point quite well--you can move up here very well if you apply yourself and whatever. don't quite understand the point of some of the subsequent posts except to belittle faustian whathaveyou for what must be the very personal reasons of a curmudgeon.

Everybody tries to be Mr. hard korea man, and it's always so funny.
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Froggy Parker



Joined: 21 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude you been living here 6 years and make 2.2?

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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Froggy Parker wrote:
dude you been living here 6 years and make 2.2?



Hmm....fair enough. I'm a failure. How many mega-bucks do you make then my friend??

Perhaps I should elaborate. - I really really like the town where I live. Its not a big city by any stretch but I like it here so I'm not keen on shifting. I got a really cool (large) apartment and lots of friends & aquaintances (foreign and Korean) here (plus a cool K-girlfriend). I'm pretty happy here by and large. But there is only a certain number of hagwons & public schools around here so opportunities are kindof limited I guess.

Hence my predicament....

Oh...and perhaps I should mention (more for my own self esteem than anything else....lol) that because I've lived here in the same place for a long time other quite lucrative money-making opportunities frequently occur. You know....those ones that cant be mentioned on this site.

So maybe I'm not such a failure after all..... Wink

- falco.
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