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corinna
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: living in hbc |
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I have been living in that district for about 10 years, and it is the first time I have been robbed.Still it is a very disturbing local style to rob people at night while they are sleeping...I know people who have been burgled at night in an expensive district all the same, the rent there goes from 4 to 10 million wons a month and is paid by the company these people work for.
Here you still can get a relatively big apt for less money,and sometimes a view and a terrace.Yes ,here, people are mixed, there are English teachers, American soldiers, Koreans and people from Africa.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like the majority of people being burgled either left their door unlocked or left their window open.
Does that sound about right? |
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Seoul_Star

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'd imagine these people either left their doors unlocked, windows unlocked, or experienced one of the below:
1. When you moved in, you didn't change your locks, and therefor, copies of your apartments key are floating around. Possibly with previous tenants, maids, or anyone else that had access to your apartment.
2. Your real estate agent made copies of the keys to your apartment while searching for a tenant. Someone got access to those keys.
3. Your real estate agent or or someone who has access to your landlord robbed you, using a set of backup keys.
4. You changed the locks on your apartment, and then the door/lock shop that you used came back and robbed you, or gave a set of keys to a third party, they robbed you.
5. Your security company robbed you. Often times they have access to the building (Secom, ADT etc.). Since security is their job, and they are wearing professional outfits, they can easily enter your building without arousing suspicion. They are notoriously underpaid, but often given access to entire apartment buildings and tenants expensive apartments.
6. A common criminal robbed you. They sat around watching you for a few days. They came up to your door to see what kind of lock you had. They came back later with the proper tools to defeat it.
No matter what, you should always change the locks when moving in. If you live in HBC, you should also be living on a higher floor to reduce the amount of foot traffic outside your windows or doors. If you are home, sleeping, your door should be dead bolted from the inside. Your windows should have bars. If they don't, you should get bars, or ask your landlord to get them. If that doesn't work, you should cover the window with curtains from the inside so that people can't casually glance inside and see what they might want to steal. Put a bar or piece of wood in the sliding rail to make it harder to open, the same goes for sliding glass doors which are not protected by a metal cage or bars.
If you tend to have high value things such as currency, jewelry, watches etc, you may want to invest in a safe. If you have expensive electronic items etc, you should buy insurance.
Check here:
http://www.aiggeneral.co.kr/english/company/companyintroduction.jsp
It's cheap. If you own expensive things, and live in HBC, there is no excuse not to have insurance. |
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Froggy Parker
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's good to see none of you people are racist assholes who call hbc a dirty, seedy neighborhood because at night you "look around you" and see that a lot of your neighbors are black.
Ever been to an actual American ghetto? hbc is paradise compared, you fucking *beep* panzies. |
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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Seoul_Star wrote: |
I'd imagine these people either left their doors unlocked, windows unlocked, or experienced one of the below:
1. When you moved in, you didn't change your locks, and therefor, copies of your apartments key are floating around. Possibly with previous tenants, maids, or anyone else that had access to your apartment.
2. Your real estate agent made copies of the keys to your apartment while searching for a tenant. Someone got access to those keys.
3. Your real estate agent or or someone who has access to your landlord robbed you, using a set of backup keys.
4. You changed the locks on your apartment, and then the door/lock shop that you used came back and robbed you, or gave a set of keys to a third party, they robbed you.
5. Your security company robbed you. Often times they have access to the building (Secom, ADT etc.). Since security is their job, and they are wearing professional outfits, they can easily enter your building without arousing suspicion. They are notoriously underpaid, but often given access to entire apartment buildings and tenants expensive apartments.
6. A common criminal robbed you. They sat around watching you for a few days. They came up to your door to see what kind of lock you had. They came back later with the proper tools to defeat it.
No matter what, you should always change the locks when moving in. If you live in HBC, you should also be living on a higher floor to reduce the amount of foot traffic outside your windows or doors. If you are home, sleeping, your door should be dead bolted from the inside. Your windows should have bars. If they don't, you should get bars, or ask your landlord to get them. If that doesn't work, you should cover the window with curtains from the inside so that people can't casually glance inside and see what they might want to steal. Put a bar or piece of wood in the sliding rail to make it harder to open, the same goes for sliding glass doors which are not protected by a metal cage or bars.
If you tend to have high value things such as currency, jewelry, watches etc, you may want to invest in a safe. If you have expensive electronic items etc, you should buy insurance.
Check here:
http://www.aiggeneral.co.kr/english/company/companyintroduction.jsp
It's cheap. If you own expensive things, and live in HBC, there is no excuse not to have insurance. |
What about an electronic lock that uses numbers and allows you to change the combination? Is that safe (assuming you don't tell anyone the numbers)? And aren't bars on the windows a fire hazard?
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of people who get robbed often have basement, ground and 1st floor apts. There is a reason these places are generally cheaper to rent.
If you are worried about getting robbed, reduce your chances and move to a higher floor. |
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Seoul_Star

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ever been to an actual American ghetto? hbc is paradise compared, you fucking *beep* panzies. |
I'm from Los Angeles. I feel safer in HBC than I feel at home in LA. The nature of crime in HBC is opportunistic, and really it mostly boils down to petty theft and burglary. Other places have the same problem. It happened when I lived in Hong Kong, it happened in China and of course, it happened with much greater frequency and more violence in Los Angeles. People get robbed in HBC because there is a high concentration of foreigners, who think that Korea is safe, like Japan. Preying on this, burglars need simply to walk around the area turning door knobs until they find someone who has left their door unlocked. I'd take HBC over any area of Los Angeles any day of the week.
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What about an electronic lock that uses numbers and allows you to change the combination? |
It's probably harder for an amateur to defeat. This is what I use at my place, along with two dead bolt locks.
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aren't bars on the windows a fire hazard? |
Depends on the design of your apartment. I'd prefer bars versus just having a window sitting there unprotected. In my building, every accessible window, regardless of floor, has bars. So do all of the balconies. In my opinion, living in a poorly constructed apartment is more of a fire hazard than having bars on your windows. You can check the overall design and quality of your apartment, as well as your fire escape plans and determine whether having bars on your windows makes you feel less or more comfortable. The chances of being burgled in HBC far outweigh those of your building burning down (though obviously that happens as well). |
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Bramble

Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information ... actually I don't live in that area, although I thought about moving there a few months ago. When I looked at places in Haebangchon and Itaewon, nice housing wasn't all that cheap and the commute wouldn't have been convenient for me anyway.
Now I live in an officetel on the 16th floor, and I'm sure that would make it difficult to escape a fire ... but at least I'm in a decent building with some sort of alarm system, a fire extinguisher in my room, and a door code that I keep private. That seems a bit safer than life in any villa I could afford. Officetels seem to be the best choice for most people, don't they? |
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danythegirl
Joined: 06 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I think this thread is terribly racist.
I live in Haebangchon, it's not a ghetto at all. And frankly, saying that the crime is caused by foreigners is ridiculous.
My friend was robbed at gunpoint in Haebangchon by a KOREAN.
But, I also have loads of mates who have been robbed, from all over Korea.
Where do you people get off blaming crime on foreigners? |
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squexx
Joined: 24 Mar 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Froggy Parker wrote: |
It's good to see none of you people are racist assholes who call hbc a dirty, seedy neighborhood because at night you "look around you" and see that a lot of your neighbors are black.
Ever been to an actual American ghetto? hbc is paradise compared, you fucking *beep* panzies. |
LOL! WWHHAANNNHHH! Ever hear about spelling and grammar, genius? Probably not! |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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hugekebab wrote: |
Guys, sorry, but for God's sake can you use the proper term? None of you were robbed, you were burgled. |
According to Webster's:
Rob:
- to take personal property from by violence or threat
- to remove valuables without right from (a place)
- to take the contents of (a receptacle)
- to take away as loot
So how are they using "robbed" incorrectly? |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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You'd think that spending your entire lives in places where it is common to lock your doors and such, you would remember to do the same in Korea.
I think a robbery can happen anywhere in Korea, especially in a big city like Seoul. I think Seoul could be dangerous for a foreigner no matter where you live because you are considered an 'easy target' because most people think you don't speak the language and wouldn't know what to do in case of a robbery.
But if someone had lived in a big to small-sized city, they'd know what to do to make their apartment safe, considering the conditions they have at the time.
Yeah, there are many people who have access to your apartment, but a good security plan will keep undesirables out of your place...... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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What caused people to start throwing around the "race" word in this?
I guess I missed it.
Oh wait, maybe it was:
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It doesn't surprise me that this sort of thing happened in a place so highly populated with certain types of people primarily from a certain continent which is often full of strife and crime. |
Sounds like he's discriminating against bad people from a certain land area and not a certain color, necessarily. That continent he is speaking of includes large numbers of people from many races. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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djsmnc wrote: |
It doesn't surprise me that this sort of thing happened in a place so highly populated with certain types of people primarily from a certain continent which is often full of strife and crime. |
North America? |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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My friend was robbed at gunpoint in Haebangchon by a KOREAN. |
Do tell. |
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