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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Bush is a sock puppet for the Kosher mafia and big business. He's a weak, malleable lightwieght who got elected by his handlers manipulation of voting results. Bush is one of the worst, if not the worst president in the history of the USA! |
And this is supposed to justify hating him, personally? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: George W Bush haters |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Whenever I ask people why they hate Bush, they say:
"Because he's a retard."
"Because he's an idiot."
"Because of Iraq."
Those reasons aren't good enough to vehemently hate the man. How has President Bush affected your life, specifically, to hate him so? Did Bush snub your country in some way? What did the man do?
It seems to me that most people hate on George W Bush for no reason whatsoever. Some people have legitimate reasons to hate the man. However, the vast majority do not. |
Have you really met people who hate him in the literal sense? "I hate..." is such a frivolous line. So much so that we often use it to express a fairly mildy aversion or dislike. I confess I've never met anyone who hated Bush in the proper sense of the word, except perhaps an ex-soldier who had had comrades fall as a consequence of Bush's warring policies, and who was afraid he might be called up again to serve in Iraq in a war he didn't believe in. |
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squexx
Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| squexx wrote: |
| Bush is a sock puppet for the Kosher mafia and big business. He's a weak, malleable lightwieght who got elected by his handlers manipulation of voting results. Bush is one of the worst, if not the worst president in the history of the USA! |
And this is supposed to justify hating him, personally? |
I don't hate him personally, I just him out of office and tried for the crimes he's committed as prez. Then publically hanged. |
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santafly
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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How about crimes against humanity! i.e. being directly responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of people.
How about being the front man for the most damage done to the U.S. in all of Amercian history. Yes, that does have a direct impact on me.
I like the reaction I get when I tell my students (adults) that he can't even speak English - what a friggin moron.
OP - you gotta be kidding, he is perhaps the easiest person in the entire world for the masses to truly hate. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Sometimes a thing needs justification. Sometimes it's clearly self evident. A statement like "George Bush is an idiot" requires no justification for example. It's clearly the case but I don't think anyone really thinks George Bush is in control or makes any decisions. It's clear he's a muppet being put up there to mask a far more sinister agenda carried out by far more intelligent men. The genius of this is that their agenda is so sinister and ingenius the human mind repels the idea that Bush could be connected to it. Bush was manipulated into the position of president because of his stupidity , not despite it. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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People who hate George Bush are generally self loathers who, like others pointed out, simply need a scapegoat for their agressions. They accuse Bush of being simple minded but they themselves have the mental handicap of believing that the promises of the politicians they support (gay marriage, blank check abortion, taxing the "rich", etc...) once enacted are going to somehow turn their pi$$ existences into some great Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. It's not about the "issues", it's about their issues. They have moslty in part created a sheet mess of their lives and now they want someone to take responsibility and fix it. I am not attacking the issues they support, thats for the voters to decide. But I have known activists who really believe in what they support and I also know others who are so unaturally attached to them that it borders in psychosis. Some people indeed "need" a cause and unfortunately Bush's opposition provides a baker's dozen of opportunities for the "needy".
That said I think Bush has been a crapopy president. I thought Clinton and Bush Senior were crappy presidents also. Honestly I could give a rat's arse what America has done in Iraq or elswhere. I just really don't care. At this point in my life I am tired of investing myself in causes and greater goods when no one ever gives a crap about investing in anything that directly affects me. I fault Bush for mishandling the economy and creating a situation where the rich are getting richer and the rest of us are seeing little chance of ever having any payoff back home. What about our military? I feel bad for anyone who suffers loss but the last time I checked we had an all volunteer fighting force.
I for one am tired of hearing about how stupid Bush is because you have lots of gay friends, or because you are too irresponsible to use birth control when you have sex. Those do not necessarily represent my views on those issues but I have had it with people who are deluded to think that some political party is gonna usher in a Utopian society. If you truly want that then you would be opposed to all of them because both democrats and republican politicians are rich, fat, and getting richer and fatter day by day off your putrid ignorance.
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it's full of stars
Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Dome Vans
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I don't hate Bush, I just think he's an idiot in sheep's clothes. The perception of him making all those really important 'decisions' that affects so many people is a myth. He's just the frontman, I doubt he has little input that's why he comes across as a goofball.
As for basing all his judgments and decisions on 'God' well I think Nomadder took care of that in a previous post. Any sane person who doesn't believe in God (and there's a few of us) should think that global decisions are based on fact not on Jesus's face appearing in a flannel in the whitehouse and telling him to bomb the middle east. As for the idea that Armageddon will come in the Middle East and then Jesus will pop out and Jews and everyone else will repent and be saved. 
Politics nowadays is a f*king mess. It's all about money and power, always has been. We as people can do jacksh&t about it. Gone are the days of revolution. My advice is to move to a country where you don't have to be bombarded with images of these incompetent tw*ts everyday. Blair is equally ridiculous but the Brits did the decent thing and chucked that nobhead out, shame his 'unelected' replacement is crashing and burning so quickly. Real real shame!  |
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Nomadder
Joined: 16 May 2008
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xingyiman
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| I have had it with people who are deluded to think that some political party is gonna usher in a Utopian society. If you truly want that then you would be opposed to all of them because both democrats and republican politicians are rich, fat, and getting richer and fatter day by day off your putrid ignorance. |
Dome Vans
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| Politics nowadays is a f*king mess. It's all about money and power, always has been. We as people can do jacksh&t about it. Gone are the days of revolution. My advice is to move to a country where you don't have to be bombarded with images of these incompetent tw*ts everyday |
I'd imagine there's a certain percentage of (longer term) ESL teachers who share these views. I'm one. Its at least a part of why we leave our countries for the life of the expat. Disgust and dissatisfaction with the current state of things in our home countries. This leads many of us to practice a philosophy of withdrawal.
Seriously, what can you do when the happy idiots are blithely marching off a cliff one right after the other? You stand in front of one, and the line marches around you.
To address the whole "hate" thing... I don't know what hate is, personally having never felt it. I am disgusted with Bush, the failure of the American government, politicians in general, and the vast majority of Americans who are either happy with all this, or believe that merely electing a different president will turn things around. Honestly, I think the best you could hope for is "not as bad".
What it comes down to is this: Politics is like the mythic hydra. Many heads all distinct from one another; if one dies two more immediately spring to replace it but the thing is, its all one creature.
Yeah, Bush isn't the main problem but he is the logical progression of a deteriorating system, and essentially a lightning rod for dissatisfaction.
Really though, the corporations that get whatever laws they want passed are the bigger problem. You have members of supposedly regulatory govt. agencies passng laws sympathtic to the industry they are supposed to be regulating, and then going back (yes, as in thats where they worked before moving over to govt.) to the corporation that just benefitted. Forget about all the campaign money given to politicians.
<sigh>
There's no grand conspiracy at work here. That's just how it is. Power, greed, and a soulless entity bound by law to care more about profit than ethics or morality.
Anybody that thinks 1/160,000,000th of a vote (that may not even be counted thanks to the EC) can really make a difference is perfectly welcome to stick around and try. I sincerely wish you all the luck in the world. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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Ever see the movie "Being There" with Peter Sellers?? Chauncey makes George look pretty dumb.
Hate is a word that shouldn't be used lightly. I would use it against someone who killed one of my family or something like that. I don't hate Georgie Boy. I am actually glad that he exists because he has exposed the true American ignorance and arrogance more than any other American in the history of the country. Think about it.
He epitomizes the greed and hypocrisy of the religious right. He and Dick Cheney have been about as foul and underhanded as legally possible. They obviously couldn't care less about American public opinion, let alone world opinion. But the world was shocked by the 2000 election. The world was shocked by Katrina and FEMA's response. The world was shocked when the US military asked for immunity from War Crime Court jurisdiction. Let's not forget the dude started out his first term with several months of vacation in Texas. (Wonder what they were talking about??)
But more than anything else, George Bush is reviled around the world because he has unleashed a war which has devastated an entire country, causing untold suffering and pain for generations to come both in Iraq and in the USA. A war which serves no purpose whatsoever other than to serve as rallying call for terrorists around the world.
Not many men have brought as much pain and suffering into the world with so little justification as Georgie, but I don't hate him. He's just a figurehead. The head on the tick. |
Yeah, yeah, while the rest of the world fell right in line behind us like lemmings unless you had a oil contract with Iraq you were trying to protect. Seems to me a lot of people act like their crappy governments they voted are solving all the worlds problems while the USA is single handedly sending them back to the dark ages. Self righteous tw*ts with no sense of history, if you ask me.
P.S. Please ask me so I can call them all tw*ts. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Yeah, yeah, while the rest of the world fell right in line behind us like lemmings |
Oh, really?
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WMD: Believe Iraq or Believe the Evidence?
WorldThreats.com ^ | November 16, 2003 | Ryan Mauro
Posted on 11/16/2003 8:43:24 AM PST by Blindboy16
�WMD: Believe Iraq or Believe the Evidence?�
Compiled By: Ryan Mauro
[email protected]
It has been only 7 months since the war in Iraq even began, but charges that the United States lied about Iraqi possession of weapons of mass destruction are seen in the press daily. This report will examine evidence of WMD independently gathered from the press, and where they presently are. Before going further, I wish to make the following points:
1) The intelligence communities of every major country were confident that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before 2003. These include the United States, Canada, France, the United Nations, the United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Australia, Japan, even Iran and a slew of others. It was a working assumption that such WMD was in Iraq, so much that I never heard accusations that it wasn�t true until the political war heated up in March, 2003. 2) Colin Powell�s presentation at the UN in February 2003 proved that Iraq was deceiving UN inspectors. What is there to hide?
3) In 1995, a high-ranking Iraqi defector proved Iraq was building WMD despite the UN restrictions. After this was revealed, Iraq admitted it had violated UN restrictions. Why should we believe Iraq was in compliance with the UN today, when Saddam hasn�t in the past?
4) As shown in the Kay interim report, there were thousands of items that Saddam had that could be used in WMD programs. These are usually dual-use items�items that have an apparently �civilian� use and are bought as such, but then when coupled with other items, can make WMD goods. If Saddam violated sanctions, as we know for a fact, why should we believe he had respect for other UN demands? And why would he violate such sanctions to gain such items?
5) As shown in the Kay interim report, why was such an enormous amount of material not declared as required by the UN?
6) Much of the suspected WMDs can fit in a package the size of a palm of a hand. Together, almost all of the WMDs could fit in a two-car parking garage. Why do people expect us to find such items already? Saddam has had 12 years to make programs to deceive Western intelligence, and 4 years to do so without ANY Western interference. And only recently, Coalition forces found fighter jets under the desert sand. If we just recently found huge fighter jets, how can people complain we haven�t found WMD yet?
7) After Iraq admitted producing a certain amount of WMD, disarmament by the UN began. How come a large portion was not disarmed by the UN and Iraq first admitted that it was not disarmed, only to later say they destroyed them �unilaterally�? Why didn�t the Saddam regime just destroy them with UN supervision like the rest of them?
 There has been lots of evidence that Iraq infiltrated UN inspection and intelligence teams. Why are people surprised the UN didn�t find any WMD?
9) The UN recognized that Iraq was engaged in illicit activity and was not disarming by passing 18 resolutions demanding that Iraq did so. Are we going to believe Saddam Hussein over the world community?
10) With extensive business interests in Iraq, why are people surprised that countries like Russia, France and Germany opposed war with Saddam Hussein�s regime? (
11) Bill Clinton is the one who originally put the focus on Saddam Hussein�s WMD possession and links to terrorists. How come when he bombed Iraq in 1998 for four days, there wasn�t such a political outcry that he may be wrong about WMD?
12) It is obvious that weapons would be hidden in the Sunni triangle, the most loyal area to the regime. Today, this area is still not pacified to the extent that would allow a full-fledged search in civilian homes and such. Without the most suspect area fully pacified, why are people jumping to the conclusion that WMDs are a lie?
I would like readers to first read the Kay Interim Report, which should convince any open-minded person that at the very least, Iraq had a research and development effort for WMDs, and was waiting to produce them once inspectors left and/or sanctions were lifted. Scientists were hired that could be quickly transferred to weapons work at a moment�s notice. However, at least one scientist claimed he worked in a chemical/biological program right up to the moments before war. At which point, they could be produced en masse. The media has inadequately reported on the Kay Report, which has a massive amount of evidence against the regime. Among the information is that documents prove that Iraq signed a $10 million contract with North Korea to receive the technology and equipment to made intermediate-range ballistic missiles (the supplies never came). And on the subject of missiles, Kay proved that Iraq was preparing fuel in 2002 that can only be used in SCUD missiles. The Kay Interim Report can be viewed here:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2003/david_kay_10022003.html
Iraq�s WMD Efforts
Possible findings of WMDs in Iraq are reported here because it is possible the Administration is holding out on releasing such finds, so it can be presented all at once. Kay has hinted at a full report being released around June-July, 2004.
The United States took a moderate stance on the WMD efforts. It ignored reports of progress. Of these reports, several would conclude that Iraq was helping Sudan and Libya develop ballistic missiles.[1] Iraq�s primary missile research was devoted to improving its 50 Al-Hussein medium-range missiles. Israel�s National Security Council concluded these missiles were being hidden in Iraq, and was making progress. The regime hoped to eventually get UN sanctions lifted, at which point they could be upgraded to long-range missiles.[2] But then 9-11 happened. And as action had to be taken to limit this threat, the intensity of the accusations against Iraq was matched with the intensity of the accusations against the US and UK.
The accusations that the Bush Administration used 9-11 to make a lie about Iraq to cause war are ridiculous. Even before 9-11, the Administration was making such claims (as was the Clinton Administration beforehand). In fact, about a month prior to 9-11, the CIA concluded that Iraq was hiding dozens of Scuds with a range of 650 kilometers and rebuilt missile production facilities. The CIA concluded that by 2015 Iraq would have ICBMs that could reach the United States.[3] Assisting in this effort was North Korea. Using its massive oil revenue (most of which comes in violation of UN sanctions); the Iraqi regime was paying Korea to assist in medium-range missile and nuclear weapons technologies, according to Western intelligence. Former UN inspector Richard Butler raised concern over the cooperation.[4] Butler is also known for recently telling the press that he saw intelligence between 1997 and 1999 that Syria helped Iraq hide WMD, and that suspicious containers were seen being moved in and out.
In early 2001, an Iraqi defector claimed that two functional atomic bombs were in Iraq�s possession, minus the fissile core. He further proved credibility by saying that when UN inspectors were present until 1998, there were 47 nuclear program sites, and now there are 64, and more in progress.[5]
Saddam�s state press even confirmed soon after 9-11 that they had a nuclear program. Babil, owned by Uday, wrote that the heads of the Iraqi Nuclear Energy Authority would accelerate their work and dedicate it to the Iraqi nation and its leader, Saddam Hussein.[6] Throughout 2001, Western intelligence worked to stop Saddam�s efforts to buy stainless-steal tubes that are used in centrifuge programs. Several of which were intercepted.[7] Germany�s BND intelligence agency also reported that Iraqi agents were scouring Asia and Europe for illegal components, and that Iraq still pays thousands of technicians and scientists for illegal weapons programs.[8]
In December 2001, an Iraqi specialist named Adrian al-Haideri defected. He said he worked on secret WMD sites, and that mini-labs were being built in private homes. At the time he defected, 300 hidden sites were being used to conceal WMDs and the associated programs. Often, WMD goods were hidden in fake wells. He explained that in mid-2001, a new effort had begun to buy aluminum tubes for a centrifuge program using front companies. Most of the stuff Iraq needed and couldn�t legally purchase came via Syria.[9] Another defector also claimed to have worked on such secret sites, particularly ones in private wells and under a Baghdad hospital. He said he knew of at least 20 hidden WMD production sites.[10]
Despite the increasing pressure, Saddam Hussein continued his WMD efforts. According to Iraqi officials that defected to Europe in 2002, Iraq had ordered three shipments of Czech medium-range SCUDs, which the Czechs believed were headed to Syria and Yemen. Arriving via Syria, the first shipment had already arrived.[11]
Iraq�s concealment efforts around August, 2002 can also explain why we haven�t found their WMD as of yet. Defectors began providing new intelligence that Iraq was still continuing to receive WMD components and equipment through Syria, and that between June and August, Iraq had abandoned all the previous hidden WMD sites in order to thwart Western intelligence. The sites holding WMD transferred the weapons to mobile vans and new underground facilities.[12]
Just to add more to the idea of the concealment effort, let me pass some information along to you from a Center for Defense Information interview with Rear Admiral Stephen Baker. He explained that WMDs were sealed in wells drilled sixty feet deep, chemical weapons components were in residential basements, under man-made lakes, palace bunkers, and in mobile vans.[13] With this type of dispersal, how could anyone from the beginning think we�d find WMDs in just a few months? becaue they were the ones gaurding the shipment of WMD's out of Iraq, to Syria) |
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KYC
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| It amazed me when Bush won the 1st election. It shocked me when he won the 2nd one. I give up on the whole voting process. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| It amazed me when Bush won the 1st election. It shocked me when he won the 2nd one. I give up on the whole voting process. |
I find nothing "amazing" or "shocking" about it. Al Gore's negative numers soared when apparently leading the pack, he painted himself as everyone's a$$hole, bullying boss by leaving his podium during the debates and attempted to intimidate Bush.
John, "I'm too privaleged and rich" Kerry was far too out of touch (as was also Howard Dean) with anyone still walking on the hard ground to be an effective candidate. Just look at our last two democratic presidents Clinton and Carter. Hmmmm what did they have in common? Weren't they both Southern democrats? Will the democrats ever figure out that elitists make poor candidates? Probably not since the upper rung of elitists in the DNC are NE coast elitists. |
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dean_burrito
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: George W Bush haters |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Whenever I ask people why they hate Bush, they say:
"Because he's a retard."
"Because he's an idiot."
"Because of Iraq."
Those reasons aren't good enough to vehemently hate the man. How has President Bush affected your life, specifically, to hate him so? Did Bush snub your country in some way? What did the man do?
It seems to me that most people hate on George W Bush for no reason whatsoever. Some people have legitimate reasons to hate the man. However, the vast majority do not. |
I don't want to get all caught up with this argument.
But for beginners
1. He's a liar.
2. He does not respect the constitution.
3. No Child Left Behind is just an attempt to put public school funds into private, mainly Christian, schools.
4. He thinks giving up a game of golf is the same as giving up life for the Iraq war.
The bell rang I've gotta go. There are so many more reasons. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Bush is a sock puppet for the Kosher mafia and big business. He's a weak, malleable lightwieght who got elected by his handlers manipulation of voting results. Bush is one of the worst, if not the worst president in the history of the USA! |
Well said. I, too, am confused when people say they hate Bush. Do you really think he is smart enough to pull off the stuff he has done? No way. It's the International bankers and the Council on Foreign Relations. I do agree that he is the worst president in the history of our country, but I can bet you that the president of this new election will be even worse because the people controlling the figurehead are still the same. Well, maybe by more liberals this time. |
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