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How many PhD's in Korea
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Do you have a PhD?
Do you have a PhD?
41%
 41%  [ 12 ]
Are you working on a PhD?
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Do you plan one day to try for a PhD?
51%
 51%  [ 15 ]
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: How many PhD's in Korea Reply with quote

I have noticed more and more jobs in Korea wanting MA required PhD preferred. So, I was curious to know how many there are at this site.
And it could be interesting to also have posts from those who are getting one or are thinking about it.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BA., B.Sc., MBA - and not interested in getting it Piled higher and Deeper.

There are no tenure track positions here for non-f2/4/5 visa holders and I have no intention of getting married to a Korean just for a visa.

An MBA gets you farther in the real world (employment wise) than a PhD in a related field (except perhaps Economics - my undergrad).

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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I finish my MA, I'll start on my PhD.

It has nothing to do with employment prospects...it's something I'm doing for myself.
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
BA., B.Sc., MBA - and not interested in getting it Piled higher and Deeper.

There are no tenure track positions here for non-f2/4/5 visa holders and I have no intention of getting married to a Korean just for a visa.

An MBA gets you farther in the real world (employment wise) than a PhD in a related field (except perhaps Economics - my undergrad).

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If you check The Chronicle of Higher Education, there have been Korean Universities offering tenure track positions for native speakers.


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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
When I finish my MA, I'll start on my PhD.

It has nothing to do with employment prospects...it's something I'm doing for myself.


Although I do not like to be called Dr. ####, and have all my students call me by my first name, it is still pretty cool to know that I am Dr.###.
Embarassed
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
If you check The Chronicle of Higher Education, there have been Korean Universities offering tenure track positions for native speakers.


Considering the fact that they can only get, at best, a 2 year visa how tenure track is the offered tenure?

There is no real option for a native speaker (foreigner) who is not Korean, of Korean decent or married to a Korean to gain permanent residence (F5) here. Your tenure is only as good as your 2 year visa so is really not tenure.

Anyone who thinks otherwise (hoping to gain an F5) is deluding them self (experience talking).

If you are married to a Korean or are of Korean decent, then the rules change and tenure track is possible BUT then they always had that option anyway since their status of sojourn is not dependent on their employer.

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skdragon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
BA., B.Sc., MBA - and not interested in getting it Piled higher and Deeper.

There are no tenure track positions here for non-f2/4/5 visa holders and I have no intention of getting married to a Korean just for a visa.

An MBA gets you farther in the real world (employment wise) than a PhD in a related field (except perhaps Economics - my undergrad).

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I've seen at least three tenure track positions on offer this year, and that is in the EFL field i Korea ... ... you do know where the PhD holders look for jobs, right? (it aint the ESL cafe) [still not paying the same amount as the K prof though] ... ... and the multiple reentry is on offer to the contract now not jsut one year ... ... and the tenure was offfered as lifetime employment to all (not just the F2 holder) [this may not be the reality though, as others state]
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MBA and Ph.D. here. There are more and more US$60K assistant prof jobs popping up every semester here, and most provide housing and relocation assistance to boot. They're getting serious about attracting (and hopefully keeping) foreign Ph.D.s.

I had three job offers when I was finishing up. I went with the highest salary and the tenure track. Being here now is like what my older profs told me it was like in the 60s and 70s in the U.S. and Canada. If you didn't like you job, or got scouted, you moved. Profs moved for better money, personal reasons, or even for better weather! There was a shortage of Ph.D.s, and the market was hot.

I still think you have to stay active in your field, though. Publish at least a paper a year and get around to conferences and think tanks to do talks and paper presentations. Kind of a no brainer, especially is one plans on shifting back to home turf in the future.
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Jimskins



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I ask if any of you who have PHDs did them part-time or through distance learning (or know anyone who did)? What was it like? I won't be starting mine for at least a good five years or more but would like to know what you think about doing a distance-learning PHD part-time whilst working in Korea.
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm planning in enrolling on a PhD program sooner or later. I haven't decided if I should (or is it even sane thing to do?) go for one of the best Korean universities (snicker all you want) or stick with a European one. By the way, my major in uni was East Asian Studies and Koreanology, which is not the way to riches and fame!
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:
When I finish my MA, I'll start on my PhD.

It has nothing to do with employment prospects...it's something I'm doing for myself


aaawwww, that's cute.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
Can I ask if any of you who have PHDs did them part-time or through distance learning (or know anyone who did)? What was it like? I won't be starting mine for at least a good five years or more but would like to know what you think about doing a distance-learning PHD part-time whilst working in Korea.


you're talking crazy talk, friend.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
MBA and Ph.D. here. There are more and more US$60K assistant prof jobs popping up every semester here, and most provide housing and relocation assistance to boot. They're getting serious about attracting (and hopefully keeping) foreign Ph.D.s.

I had three job offers when I was finishing up. I went with the highest salary and the tenure track. Being here now is like what my older profs told me it was like in the 60s and 70s in the U.S. and Canada. If you didn't like you job, or got scouted, you moved. Profs moved for better money, personal reasons, or even for better weather! There was a shortage of Ph.D.s, and the market was hot.

I still think you have to stay active in your field, though. Publish at least a paper a year and get around to conferences and think tanks to do talks and paper presentations. Kind of a no brainer, especially is one plans on shifting back to home turf in the future.


i'm pretty new to univ. teaching but i think the final paragraph of your post is the best advice here for univ teachers. be involved in your profession - conferences, workshops, talks, etc. and be up to date with the lit. in your field - TEFL, or whatever it is here.

pragic, how long do you feel this trend will last re. "like in the 60s and 70s in the U.S. and Canada." for doctorates? could be a good time here for some poeple, allowing them to shop around for something that really fits their needs, whatever they maybe - location, weather, etc.
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it started in Japan in the late 1980s, and is still going strong. Why? Because it starts at the big universities, and eventually trickles down (no, I didn't like Reagan that much). So at first, the top universities step up to the plate and recruit foreign Ph.D.s, then the medium, second-tier schools, and then, finally, the smaller, private universities in less urban locations. Now you have small, local universities in Japan paying competitive salaries to foreign Ph.D.s in a load of diciplines...and they're getting a decent number of applicants!

I think it's just getting started in Korea. The problem here, however, is the administrative red tape. We'll see how that pans out later on down the road.
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kiwiana



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're talking crazy talk, friend


Not so crazy. With ample vacation time one can often spend the minimum amount of time required on campus at their uni back in the West. I know of several people working on PHDs whilst over here following this route.

The ability to do this, of course, does depend somewhat on the major. Although, the inability to do this might be overcome in instances where the Western and Korean universities have an established relationship: Auckland and Korea Uni for example.

So, it is feasible to get your PHD from a well recognised Western University while riding the gravy train over here.
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