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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Plan to hire non-degree holders=total failure Reply with quote

The govt's plan to hire overseas Koreans who don't have degrees yet, is suffering from a miserable failure. Only 18 have applied.
http://blog.galbijim.com/2008/06/korean-american-youth-give-a-meh-to-koreas-esl-program/

9 out of 10 applicants are ethnic Korean teachers! Laughing
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crusher_of_heads



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid Korean retards! Way to go on increasing demand with the e-2 nonsense, immigration department alcoholics!!!
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marlow



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see someone with ties overseas wanting to work for peanuts. Wouldn't they be able to get F4s and teach privates here anyway?
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our regional education office supervisor was ecstatic about this stupid program last month. He was telling us that Ko-Am uni students will pour into Korea. My response to him was.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH..... Laughing Laughing Laughing
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sketcha



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

remember reading about this a while back ... thinking to myself who would go for these jobs?

they either be pro korea, love kids or rejects who couldnt get a decent job back in the U.S.
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citizen erased



Joined: 06 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Plan to hire non-degree holders=total failure Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
The govt's plan to hire overseas Koreans who don't have degrees yet, is suffering from a miserable failure. Only 18 have applied.
http://blog.galbijim.com/2008/06/korean-american-youth-give-a-meh-to-koreas-esl-program/

9 out of 10 applicants are ethnic Korean teachers! Laughing





9 out of 10 from a sample of 18?
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to shake my head at the dumb interpretation by Galbijim & subsequent posters of some pretty simple numbers.

180 applied for the job, 9 of 10 were ethnic Korean. Thats 162. The program specifically encourages overseas Koreans to apply, so whats wrong with that? 18 are of non-Korean heritage -- why focus on them as if theyre the only applicants that count?

It sounds like the program will round up 3 or 4 hundred people by the time it starts, young people who dont qualify for regular school jobs here but who might indeed bring a bit of enthusiasm & effort to help out in rural schools that would otherwise go unserved.

75% of the going starter's wage is more than livable & beats 0% for a job they cant otherwise have. I think its laudable that this many young international Koreans should choose to take a break year to learn something about their native culture while giving something back at the same time.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, a lot of these Gyopo students probably have extended family living in Korea. Almost every gyopo I know from the US has been to Korea, or is planning to visit Korea soon. What better way to visit Korea than a free plane ride, a steady job that pays, looks good on a resume, and you can play on the weekends.

EDIT:

Also, you gotta ask, how many people actually know about this? I asked some Korean friends that attend VCU (over 30,000 students, Virginia's largest University) and not a single one has heard of it.

I know people in the Korean American societies in Washington DC and Richmond, VA and none of them were aware of this program.

Edit 2:

Also, I'm wondering what kind of VISA's they will get. Will the Korean Government just process them all with F4's?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Statistics and more damn lies.

I don't know what to believe.

The Galbijim article uses the term "ethnic Korean teachers", yet everone who has posted so far, interperates this to mean gyopo students.

The TaLK program allows university graduates to apply. If galbijim is correct, then Koreans with B.Ed.s are applying (probably because thy can't get a high enough mark on the exam to procure a coveted public school position). Is it possible they think the TaLK program is their 'foot in the door'? I know 'Galbijim' is not exactly a bastion of unbiased journalism (it's more akin to Fox than the BBC). What's the truth?
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Statistics and more damn lies.

I don't know what to believe.

The Galbijim article uses the term "ethnic Korean teachers", yet everone who has posted so far, interperates this to mean gyopo students.

The TaLK program allows university graduates to apply. If galbijim is correct, then Koreans with B.Ed.s are applying (probably because thy can't get a high enough mark on the exam to procure a coveted public school position). Is it possible they think the TaLK program is their 'foot in the door'? I know 'Galbijim' is not exactly a bastion of unbiased journalism (it's more akin to Fox than the BBC). What's the truth?


Not exactly. I'd say majority of those applying are looking for a good reason to come to Korea to visit the "homeland" and visit friends/family. If they get a free ride over, a job that pays some money, then thats all icing on the cake.

Think about it, what if YOU were given the opportunity to study in Europe or 6 month to a year. The flight is covered, as well as you get a monthly allowance. All you gotta do is teach English 3 classes a day. You'd probably jump on it. Just take a semester or 2 break from University to travel.

Granted, Korea is far from Europe, but for a lot of gyopo's, they'd rather come to Korea than anywhere else.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
Statistics and more damn lies.

I don't know what to believe.

The Galbijim article uses the term "ethnic Korean teachers", yet everone who has posted so far, interperates this to mean gyopo students.

The TaLK program allows university graduates to apply. If galbijim is correct, then Koreans with B.Ed.s are applying (probably because thy can't get a high enough mark on the exam to procure a coveted public school position). Is it possible they think the TaLK program is their 'foot in the door'? I know 'Galbijim' is not exactly a bastion of unbiased journalism (it's more akin to Fox than the BBC). What's the truth?


Not exactly. I'd say majority of those applying are looking for a good reason to come to Korea to visit the "homeland" and visit friends/family. If they get a free ride over, a job that pays some money, then thats all icing on the cake.

Think about it, what if YOU were given the opportunity to study in Europe or 6 month to a year. The flight is covered, as well as you get a monthly allowance. All you gotta do is teach English 3 classes a day. You'd probably jump on it. Just take a semester or 2 break from University to travel.

Granted, Korea is far from Europe, but for a lot of gyopo's, they'd rather come to Korea than anywhere else.

I have to agree.
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
Statistics and more damn lies.

I don't know what to believe.

The Galbijim article uses the term "ethnic Korean teachers", yet everone who has posted so far, interperates this to mean gyopo students.

The TaLK program allows university graduates to apply. If galbijim is correct, then Koreans with B.Ed.s are applying (probably because thy can't get a high enough mark on the exam to procure a coveted public school position). Is it possible they think the TaLK program is their 'foot in the door'? I know 'Galbijim' is not exactly a bastion of unbiased journalism (it's more akin to Fox than the BBC). What's the truth?


Not exactly. I'd say majority of those applying are looking for a good reason to come to Korea to visit the "homeland" and visit friends/family. If they get a free ride over, a job that pays some money, then thats all icing on the cake.

Think about it, what if YOU were given the opportunity to study in Europe or 6 month to a year. The flight is covered, as well as you get a monthly allowance. All you gotta do is teach English 3 classes a day. You'd probably jump on it. Just take a semester or 2 break from University to travel.

Granted, Korea is far from Europe, but for a lot of gyopo's, they'd rather come to Korea than anywhere else.


I think you're right. It's galbijim's use of the word "teachers" instead of students that's 'throwing me off'.
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Snowkr



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all pretty interesting...
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tigerbluekitty



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no degree required to get an F-4. Any Korean American can come over to Korea, go anywhere they want and teach privates. It's most likely the ill-informed naive Korean Americans that are applying for the TALK program. The Korean government's taking advantage of their stupidity.

And the TALK program, it won't work. It'd be difficult for Korean Americans to put up with the isolation and cultural differences here in Korea, especially rural Korea *shiver*. Plus they won't have the comforts of hanging out with their friends, chatting on their Sidekick, keeping up-to-date with the hippest music, watching real American television or updating their MySpace page with cool stuff. Sooner than you know it they'll be running back home to apply for that job at the mall. Rolling Eyes
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Plan to hire non-degree holders=total failure Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
The govt's plan to hire overseas Koreans who don't have degrees yet, is suffering from a miserable failure. Only 18 have applied.
http://blog.galbijim.com/2008/06/korean-american-youth-give-a-meh-to-koreas-esl-program/

9 out of 10 applicants are ethnic Korean teachers! Laughing


The government tried to "low ball" the salaries at 1.5 per month. Laughing
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