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bacasper
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| I don't know how people can give up eating meat, that's as bad as giving up sex... |
You are not really "giving up" anything. Instead you are opening yourself up to an entire new world of culinary possibilities. I have experienced so many new and delicious foods sicne I stopped eating dead things, especially in the first couple of years, but I'm still finding lots of good, new stuff to eat, especially whenever I move to a new country.
And Kuros, it is really easy to substitute soymilk for cow's milk. It's out of this world. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Also a huge problem not covered in the article.. Population.. Did you check what India's and China's population is? Just these two countries have such a large percentage of earths population its not funny.
I wouldn't eat a vegiterian.. Most of them are carb addicts all the veg heads I've seen are usually malnutritioned. Carb addicts very skinny fat. I wouldn't worry about the anti-biotics I would worry about all the, herbecides and pesticides due to spraying. Maybe if the veg head was ultra organic eater then I would think about it. |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I can't help it, but when I think about eating a steak cut off the haunch of a vegetarian, I just start salivating. All that good red meat and no fat. Yum. |
Don't be silly. The fat is where the flavor is.
In America, obesity is higher among the poor than it is among the rich. Why? Because cheap, high-carb foods are about all the poor can afford. Ironically, foods high in fat and protein are expensive. A couple pounds of refined carbs (i.e. grains, white sugar, high fructose corn syrup) are dirt cheap to produce, are consumed in large quantities by the poor, and are destructive to a person's health.
It's just a matter of time before the Chinese and Indians are just as fat and diabetic as the average, working-class American, i.e.living on soda, white bread, and frozen pizza. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Don't be silly. The fat is where the flavor is.
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I knew someone would bring this up. I'm not talking about a complete lack of fat. It's just that there can be too much of a good thing...sahm gyap sahl is a good example--Heart Attack on a Grill.
I don't think nutrition science is as advanced as vegetarians think it is. There must be a lot of fat in soy beans or there wouldn't be so many vegetarians with fat heads.
I stand by my original post. Someday vegetarians will be an important source of meat. In the meantime, the more vegetarians the better. Build up the herd. It also means less competition for meat now, helping to keep prices down. |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that if I go back to the States I will definitely remain a vegetarian. Unfortunately, family functions here in Korea dictate that I have to eat meat every now and then. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
And Kuros, it is really easy to substitute soymilk for cow's milk. It's out of this world. |
Unless you're allergic to soy. |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I stand by my original post. Someday vegetarians will be an important source of meat. In the meantime, the more vegetarians the better. Build up the herd. It also means less competition for meat now, helping to keep prices down. |
I like the way you think. But we'd better start practicing our Charlton Heston impersonations now: "It's people!!" |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
You are not really "giving up" anything. Instead you are opening yourself up to an entire new world of culinary possibilities. I have experienced so many new and delicious foods sicne I stopped eating dead things, especially in the first couple of years, but I'm still finding lots of good, new stuff to eat, especially whenever I move to a new country.
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What are you eating that's still alive? Are you in a garden munching on rooted veg? If not, that carrot is as dead as any slab of ribs.
I find the veggie attitude toward eating meat humorous. It is somewhat more sustainable to eat veg rather than meat, and if that's your reason good on you. If you really think eating meat is 'evil' then your barmy, as you kill everything you eat. What makes veggies more acceptable to kill than a cow or rabbit or pig?
Even level five 'I eat nothing with a shadow' vegans kill to eat, even if it is only plankton. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
You are not really "giving up" anything. Instead you are opening yourself up to an entire new world of culinary possibilities. I have experienced so many new and delicious foods sicne I stopped eating dead things, especially in the first couple of years, but I'm still finding lots of good, new stuff to eat, especially whenever I move to a new country.
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What are you eating that's still alive? Are you in a garden munching on rooted veg? If not, that carrot is as dead as any slab of ribs.
I find the veggie attitude toward eating meat humorous. It is somewhat more sustainable to eat veg rather than meat, and if that's your reason good on you. If you really think eating meat is 'evil' then your barmy, as you kill everything you eat. What makes veggies more acceptable to kill than a cow or rabbit or pig?
Even level five 'I eat nothing with a shadow' vegans kill to eat, even if it is only plankton. |
So eating you is the equivalent of eating a carrot? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| But we'd better start practicing our Charlton Heston impersonations now: "It's people!!" |
I take your point, but I believe (quite firmly) that biologists have been hiding an important fact from the public. For as long as humans have been around in any recognizable form, we (Homo sapiens sapiens) have been omnivorous, eating both meat and veggies. At some point in time, possibly in India, a sub-species (Homo sapiens rutabagous) has developed who only eat vegetables. I have no idea why biologists would hide this because it is not cannibalism for an omnivorous species to eat its herbivorous cousin. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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" We didn't get to the top of the food chain just to become vegetarians."
" If I decided to live off of tofu I still have to clear a plot of land. That involves Killing everything that inhabits that land".
Ted Nugent |
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OneWayTraffic
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
" We didn't get to the top of the food chain just to become vegetarians."
" If I decided to live off of tofu I still have to clear a plot of land. That involves Killing everything that inhabits that land".
Ted Nugent |
The second part is quite true.
Anyway, there are other reasons to reduce (not eliminate meat intake.) We're omnivorous, not carnivores.
Best meat I ever had was from a fallow deer spiker that I shot myself. No additives, hormones or antibiotics. Just pure yummy venison and a cleaner death than any freezing works could give it.
Oh and if anyone objects, in NZ they pay people to cull the large mammals if recreational hunters don't do it well enough. High populations of deer and pigs are very destructive to the bush. |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| You are not really "giving up" anything. |
my ass
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| Instead you are opening yourself up to an entire new world of culinary possibilities. |
my ass X 2. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Czarjorge wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
You are not really "giving up" anything. Instead you are opening yourself up to an entire new world of culinary possibilities. I have experienced so many new and delicious foods sicne I stopped eating dead things, especially in the first couple of years, but I'm still finding lots of good, new stuff to eat, especially whenever I move to a new country.
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What are you eating that's still alive? Are you in a garden munching on rooted veg? If not, that carrot is as dead as any slab of ribs.
I find the veggie attitude toward eating meat humorous. It is somewhat more sustainable to eat veg rather than meat, and if that's your reason good on you. If you really think eating meat is 'evil' then your barmy, as you kill everything you eat. What makes veggies more acceptable to kill than a cow or rabbit or pig?
Even level five 'I eat nothing with a shadow' vegans kill to eat, even if it is only plankton. |
So eating you is the equivalent of eating a carrot? |
Actually, if your food consumption takes morality into account eating me could be less immoral than eating a carrot as you could cut off my foot without killing me. If your standard is solely the prevention of death for your food.
That is ridiculous though.
The thing with eating animals is the question of their sentience. It is wrong to eat a sentient creature, I suppose. But is a cow or pig truly self aware? I wouldn't eat a dolphin or an elephant, other than that I think most of the animals in the world are probably not involved in any high level thinking.
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I think there is an awfully lot of idealistic clap-trap about food. Nature is an extremely violent system, 'red in tooth and claw'. |
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