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caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Our student was badly injured during the meat riot

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

caniff wrote:

mindmetoo wrote:

Geez. What part don't Koreans get that they can simply not buy it when it appears on the shelves?

From what I can gather, some Koreans are more concerned with the possibility of other Koreans secretly passing it off as 한우 at restaurants and whatnot.

How is that possible? I've been told many times that Korean people don't lie.

I was shocked by this information. In fact, I was stunned.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:01 am Post subject:

Julius wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

Mind explaining exactly where he went wrong, and a true democrat like yourself, would do right?

1) When demonstrations against the grand canal; started, LMB sent police to the offices of every professor involved to take their details. Intimidation of opposition..

I2) n this case, people have a right to peaceful protest. Crushing this with excessively violent means hardly characterises a free country.

1) Got proof?

2) Agreed. However, rushing a police line is NOT a peaceful protest. The police did not move on the peaceful protest centered in front of city hall. The police reacted to the protesters forcing their way through police lines.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:08 am Post subject:

Typhoon wrote:

A group of 10 000 people storming the white house would not be apprehended, they would be taken out. One or two people trying to storm the white house they will be (have been)beaten and then apprehended. What happened at the protests? A couple of people or over 10 000 people marching to the blue house to storm it. That is right over 10 000 people. The military would not have taken kindly to 10s of thousands of people storming the white house.

How about 17,000 people converging on the Capitol?

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject:

CentralCali wrote:

Typhoon wrote:

How about 17,000 people converging on the Capitol?

Yup, if you look back a page, that is what I was referring to (I'm reading American Caesar right now)

jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

CentralCali wrote:

Typhoon wrote:

How about 17,000 people converging on the Capitol?

Yup, if you look back a page, that is what I was referring to (I'm reading American Caesar right now)

So we're comparing the Bonus Army, a group of impoverished and crippled veterans, to a bunch of Koreans duped by faux-nationalistic beef farmers?

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject:

No. I'm pointing out the simple fact that when a rather large group marched on a very significant place in Washington, they were not mowed down or "taken out."

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:

CentralCali wrote:

No. I'm pointing out the simple fact that when a rather large group marched on a very significant place in Washington, they were not mowed down or "taken out."

I kind of got the impression they were. Were they not taken out by the military? I mean, sure, the term "taken out" can be made to mean a lot of things, butthe military did use force and people (children even) did die.

I know full well the causes were different, but I think that any large group of protesters marching on a country's capital are bound to run into some hurt.

blurgalurgalurga

Joined: 18 Oct 2007

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

blurgalurgalurga wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

asylum seeker wrote:

People should have the right to protest in a democracy.

And they DO have the right to demonstrate in Korea. Demonstrators have to follow the law just like everyone else. Break the law, accept the consequences.

I feel this also applies to the draftee riot cop who bashed the kid. Still illegal t o do that, last time I checked.

Sure it applies to the cops. If the demonstration is peaceful, and the cops start beating on protestors without provocation, slap the cuffs on the cops and lock'em up. However, the second protesters start the violence, all bets are off. (1) Cops are allowed to defend themselves, and (2) when there are dozens or hundreds of violent protesters in front of them, take them all out. There's no time to assess who is or is not going to shank you. Put them all down and sort them out once the violence is contained.

The protesters can't rush the police, they can't charge the riot buses, they can't start throwing fire around, THEN complain the cops are being less than polite. "Yeah, I tried to set them on fire, but I want him charged with police brutality because he pushed me." Rolling Eyes

If you want the cops to be peaceful, then put the rocks down, sit on the grass, and shout your protest slogans from behind your signs. Lay a finger on the cops, and they should be able to punch you in the face.

Sure, but kicking one in the head after they've already fallen down is still bad form. The cops should be trained to not need to do that.

I agree that punching people in the mouth is no big deal. Heads are brittle though, and the cops shouldn't have carte blanche to jump on them. There's gotta be accountability, even in extreme situations.

I do think the kid should get some compensation. I figure it should come from the riot organizers and from the cops, fifty fifty, to pay her medical bills, if she can't pay them herself.

But, if it happened to me, I personally wouldn't sue anybody. As an adult, I'd be prepared to accept that I got bashed because I chose to be in a riot. For the poor dumb kid, though, I do have sympathy, for sure.

Eedoryeong

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject:

CentralCali wrote:

Typhoon wrote:

Now imagine this were the USA. What would happen to anyone who tried to enter the grounds of the whitehouse by force. They would be shot dead on the spot.

Wrong. The few instances where people have attempted to trespass, they've been apprehended, not shot dead on the spot.

What about that mom of the US soldier KIA in Fahrenheit 9/11? Didn't she put up a tent on the White House lawn?

Not that I'm suggesting approaching the Blue House was acceptable. I'm just trying to remember where Moore interviewed her.

IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject:

Eedoryeong wrote:

Not that I'm suggesting approaching the Blue House was acceptable. I'm just trying to remember where Moore interviewed her.

I think there was one on the White House lawn and another woman outside of Bush's ranch.

Eedoryeong

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Our student was badly injured during the meat riot

mindmetoo wrote:

Geez. What part don't Koreans get that they can simply not buy it when it appears on the shelves?

I think it's the part where they don't have the choice not to buy it because it's being covered up. Didn't you see the big stink in the news about a bunch of Koreans who found a US beef supplier for a beef restaurant somewhere and the thing was they were advertising 'all-Korean beef'? When that big lie was uncovered, Koreans started speculating openly on who else was doing it. It seems to me this is when the national resentment really started to rise in tone. Talk about red flags. Pretty soon after that my wife and I noticed some Korean beef restaurant owners starting making banners and advertising testimonials saying things like, 'I swear the beef we sell at our restaurant is all-Korean' and another beef restaurant down in Mokpo said, 'if we're not selling all Korean product, I'll give you 1,000,000,000 Won' They were so dolled up on their ads, I thought another city election had started. Turns out they were just trying to dissuade the public they weren't secretly selling US beef.

It'd be good if people stopped assuming this is about anti-US sentiment as some foreigners have postulated. Koreans know what to expect (re: business practices at home or abroad) and they don't like the prospect at all. I can't blame them, really. Who'd want to buy anybody's beef knowing what they put on your plate was stuff that couldn't sell back in their home country? Hardly an appetizing prospect. That the meat should be at least equal to the stuff on shelves back home is a very reasonable requirement.

Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:43 am Post subject:

blurgalurgalurga wrote:

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

If the demonstration is peaceful, and the cops start beating on protestors without provocation, slap the cuffs on the cops and lock'em up. However, the second protesters start the violence, all bets are off. (1) Cops are allowed to defend themselves, and (2) when there are dozens or hundreds of violent protesters in front of them, take them all out. There's no time to assess who is or is not going to shank you. Put them all down and sort them out once the violence is contained.

The protesters can't rush the police, they can't charge the riot buses, they can't start throwing fire around, THEN complain the cops are being less than polite. "Yeah, I tried to set them on fire, but I want him charged with police brutality because he pushed me." Rolling Eyes

I have sympathy for the student only in that she was duped by the protest organizers who riled the crowd up and got them to rush the cops. Maybe she was part of the rush, maybe she wasn't. Either way, she crossed into a place where she should not have been. Life lesson learned: if you're protesting, stay off the front lines if your intent is totally peaceful; you may get pushed from behind by people whose intent isn't.

asylum seeker

Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:26 am Post subject:

Finally some justice being done on this:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/06/113_25390.html

Quote:

A riot policeman will be charged with assault for kicking a female demonstrator in the head during a rally against the government's decision to resume American beef imports.

The National Police Agency (NPA) said Thursday that they will take legal action on the 21-year-old policeman, identified only as Kim of the Seoul Metropolitan Mobile Police, for his use of violence. Two of his seniors will also be suspended from duty and four other officers will be disciplined. South Korean men can apply to join the riot police as an alternative to their mandatory military service.

The beating and kicking of the female student was shown in a video clip on the Internet, triggering public anger and seeing calls for the punishment of policemen responsible.

In the clip, Kim grabbed the victim's hair and threw her down beside a parked police bus while dispersing protestors near Gyeongbok Palace in central Seoul around 2:30 a.m. Sunday. As she attempted to crawl under the bus, Kim kicked her in the head several times. She managed to hide beneath the bus, screaming out in pain.

``Kim admitted grabbing her hair and throwing her down, but denied kicking her. But all eyewitnesses gave the same testimony, so we acknowledged his assault,'' an NPA police officer said.

The 21-year-old victim, Lee Na-rae, a student at the Seoul National University's music college, said she was hit again by another riot policeman after coming from under the bus. Police are investigating whether there was another attacker besides Kim.

``We deeply apologize to the victims and their families for their injuries and other ugly situations during the massive candlelit vigils. The NPA will directly apologize to Lee and her family soon,'' the officer said.

Lee is receiving treatment at a hospital near her school for head pains, according to the officer.

``Learning from this case police will improve manuals for the use of water cannons and shields and riot police officers will be given lectures on human rights and safety, so that such a case will not recur,'' he said.

Police have been denounced for their ``excessive'' use of violence against ralliers, including firing a water cannon directly at protestors at close range. Dozens of injured citizens filed a lawsuit against the police early this week.

Unbelievable all the scumbags in this thread defending police brutality. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

justaguy

Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:45 am Post subject:

I had adult students a long time ago tell me that Korea produces the best tear gas in the world. It was developed during the riots back in the 80's. I wonder, is this still true?

bassexpander

Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:56 am Post subject:

I think they need to invest in some of those sound weapons developed and sold to the US military (and available to others too). They can cause ear pain, or do weird things like make people vomit. Can you imagine 17,000 Koreans vomiting all at once? Gawd, it would be like the night of the 2002 World Cup, only all in one place! Eeewww....

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