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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: So, the consulate interview Reply with quote

Wow, I just had my consulate interview...the guy who gave it seemed pretty bored. He flat out told me that very, VERY few people were going over to Korea to teach these days. Not only that, but the interview became a lame cold-call for EPIK's new "TALK" program (where undergrads teach 3 hours a day out in the boonies).

I told him that this was the hardest time, flat out, I've EVER had getting a visa (I don't even wanna go into it). No, criminals shouldn't be teaching, but there's vastly better ways to do virtually every step of this process as it is now.

First of all, make the criminal check mandatory, but how about giving a grace period so that you can come to Korea while the criminal check is processing? Let's face it, teaching in Korea is going to be a "*beep* it", spur of the moment type thing for a lot of people. Having to wait three weeks for the criminal check ruins the spontaneity of it, and options like thailand, taiwan, etc, become more attractive.

Second, the apostille; get rid of that shit. How hard is it to hire one or two kyopo's to call the appropriate office and find out if someone is legit?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the consulate interview Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
Wow, I just had my consulate interview...the guy who gave it seemed pretty bored. He flat out told me that very, VERY few people were going over to Korea to teach these days. Not only that, but the interview became a lame cold-call for EPIK's new "TALK" program (where undergrads teach 3 hours a day out in the boonies).

I told him that this was the hardest time, flat out, I've EVER had getting a visa (I don't even wanna go into it). No, criminals shouldn't be teaching, but there's vastly better ways to do virtually every step of this process as it is now.

First of all, make the criminal check mandatory, but how about giving a grace period so that you can come to Korea while the criminal check is processing? Let's face it, teaching in Korea is going to be a "*beep* it", spur of the moment type thing for a lot of people. Having to wait three weeks for the criminal check ruins the spontaneity of it, and options like thailand, taiwan, etc, become more attractive.

Second, the apostille; get rid of that shit. How hard is it to hire one or two kyopo's to call the appropriate office and find out if someone is legit?


I agree wholeheartedly, except for the last part. Police agencies will not verify information over the phone unless it is public record. Even with court documents, like criminal records, they must be signed for in person or notarized to be released. Korea just simply needs to allow notarizations, not apostilles.

jdog, didn't you teach in Korea before? Why did you have to get the interview? That's for first time applicants or people with a shady history.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: So, the consulate interview Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
Wow, I just had my consulate interview...the guy who gave it seemed pretty bored. He flat out told me that very, VERY few people were going over to Korea to teach these days. Not only that, but the interview became a lame cold-call for EPIK's new "TALK" program (where undergrads teach 3 hours a day out in the boonies).

I told him that this was the hardest time, flat out, I've EVER had getting a visa (I don't even wanna go into it). No, criminals shouldn't be teaching, but there's vastly better ways to do virtually every step of this process as it is now.

First of all, make the criminal check mandatory, but how about giving a grace period so that you can come to Korea while the criminal check is processing? Let's face it, teaching in Korea is going to be a "*beep* it", spur of the moment type thing for a lot of people. Having to wait three weeks for the criminal check ruins the spontaneity of it, and options like thailand, taiwan, etc, become more attractive.

Second, the apostille; get rid of that shit. How hard is it to hire one or two kyopo's to call the appropriate office and find out if someone is legit?


I agree wholeheartedly, except for the last part. Police agencies will not verify information over the phone unless it is public record. Even with court documents, like criminal records, they must be signed for in person or notarized to be released. Korea just simply needs to allow notarizations, not apostilles.

jdog, didn't you teach in Korea before? Why did you have to get the interview? That's for first time applicants or people with a shady history.


I have a shady history Smile I overstayed 6 days my last time in Korea because I came back early and forgot Razz But it was an enlightening experience into how much of a nightmare Korean bureaucracy can be if you get on the wrong side of it.

I mean, the interview: literally 5 minutes of dialogue from a bored salaryman, with no questions about why I was even having the interview. What the hell? Was he just looking at me going, "Ahhh, he doesn't *look* like a pedo, he's cool". It's so pointless. It's fine that I live in the area, but there were one or two posts in the Job section of dave's from people who literally had to fly from Korea for the thing.

As an addition, another thing I've noticed is that the consulates themselves really need to get their act together. When I was calling around about the record check, I literally got 2 utterly different answers from 4 different consulates. San Fran and Seattle seemed to know the rules, but LA and Hawaii were just like "Oh, whatever, send in a local check".

The turn around for your passport is different too. Seattle can get it to you in a day, but it can take 2 days, or even a week if you happen to live in that city (Chicago consulate, I'm looking at you).

Seriously, I told my cousin yesterday that I would NOT be going back to Korea if my gf weren't there.


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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't even get interviewed. I made an appointment, showed up at the consulate and was handed a form to fill out ( it asked information they should have already known like what university I graduated from).
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rumdiary wrote:
I didn't even get interviewed. I made an appointment, showed up at the consulate and was handed a form to fill out ( it asked information they should have already known like what university I graduated from).


THAT'S ANOTHER THING. Giving repeat info to the Consulate. It's like "bwahahah, maybe if we make them do the same garbage twice, we'll TRICK an impostor". Nothing but bureaucratic hassle.
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KrazyInKlamath



Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Location: Gyeongsan, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went home in September 2006, stayed home for about 5 months and was required to make the trip to the Seattle consulate because I was "getting a new visa and it is part of the new rules." It was the most useless thing I ever went through. The "interviewer" asked me two questions from the form I already had filled out and said he would approve giving me a visa. I wanted to scream because I had spent $300 to fly up to Seattle (if I had driven it would have taken about 12 hours due to the fact I would be going over winter passes) for a five minute interview. It is ridiculous. Sorry to tell you Korea, but it takes longer than 5 hours to get to many places in the US. At least I didn't have to go to San Francisco from Wyoming.
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isak



Joined: 14 May 2008
Location: South Korea?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Chicago interview was non-existent, and my turn around time for the passport was like 2 days, but it's nothing to what Toronto is like.

My friend said he essentially camped out at the consulate for 5 days, and kept getting hassled by some chick who worked there. In the end he said that she was forced by her boss to give him an apology for her actions.

Sorta rediculous, I'm glad I just had to send my check in and call it a day.
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SirFink



Joined: 05 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It blows my mind that anyone who doesn't live within, say, a 30-minute drive of a consulate, would even bother with this crap. I remember a guy on here a few months back saying he drove 4 hours to Houston for the interview. Now a guy says he spent $300 to fly to Seattle for a 5 minute interview? I can't believe it. I told every school I interviewed with, flat out, that I wouldn't do the in-person interview. They want to call me and ask me a couple stupid questions, fine.
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rumdiary



Joined: 05 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
rumdiary wrote:
I didn't even get interviewed. I made an appointment, showed up at the consulate and was handed a form to fill out ( it asked information they should have already known like what university I graduated from).


THAT'S ANOTHER THING. Giving repeat info to the Consulate. It's like "bwahahah, maybe if we make them do the same garbage twice, we'll TRICK an impostor". Nothing but bureaucratic hassle.


And why couldn't I have just done it over the internet if they weren't going to interview me in the first place? It wasn't that bad for me because I live 30 minutes from the consulate. There was another guy there, dressed up in suit and tie, who had driven from out of state and had to stay in a hotel in order to make the "interview".
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't even wanna post this tidbit because I'm still super annoyed by it, but I forgot my transcripts (I should have called, but going to the immigration website, there's NOTHING about having transcripts for the consulate too, and that's if you can even find the f'in requirements anymore because someone seems to be playing hide and seek with them), and, after asking the office drone if I could just have fedex ship them to *her* so that she'd have them first thing in the morning, she's like, "oh no, it must be handed in"...WHY? How in the hell am *I* more official than the documents coming *straight* from the school? Again, luckily I'm just staying with family in Seattle and was planning on being here for a week anyway. If I'd flown in and something weird happened, I'd flip my shit.

So here I am, wasting yet another transcript despite the fact that two or three of the damned things are collecting dust in file cabinet somewhere; point being that they have multiple copies of my transcript from my previous tenures in Korea...but they need another, and another, and if I apply again, another. It's insane.
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Tarkaan



Joined: 09 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirFink wrote:
It blows my mind that anyone who doesn't live within, say, a 30-minute drive of a consulate, would even bother with this crap. I remember a guy on here a few months back saying he drove 4 hours to Houston for the interview. Now a guy says he spent $300 to fly to Seattle for a 5 minute interview? I can't believe it. I told every school I interviewed with, flat out, that I wouldn't do the in-person interview. They want to call me and ask me a couple stupid questions, fine.


My Hagwan owner paid for my flight to ATL.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog, were your transcript sent to Korea first, or sent to the consulate first.

In Korea, I can give my documents to my employer and immigration. Then all I need is the visa issuance number, my passport, the money, some photos and the visa form. No repeat documents are needed (like degrees or transcripts).


It does say on either the immigration or consulate website I looked at that a video conference interview could be conducted when face-to-face isn't possible. Traveling more than 4 hours one way should be excluded if a video conference will suffice.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
jdog, were your transcript sent to Korea first, or sent to the consulate first.

In Korea, I can give my documents to my employer and immigration. Then all I need is the visa issuance number, my passport, the money, some photos and the visa form. No repeat documents are needed (like degrees or transcripts).


It does say on either the immigration or consulate website I looked at that a video conference interview could be conducted when face-to-face isn't possible. Traveling more than 4 hours one way should be excluded if a video conference will suffice.


I really, really don't know what the deal is with the extra transcripts. Yes, I did indeed send a copy to Korea. This could be a Seattle Consulate thing, I don't know.
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DongtanTony



Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: So, the consulate interview Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
Second, the apostille; get rid of that shit. How hard is it to hire one or two kyopo's to call the appropriate office and find out if someone is legit?


If Korea hadn't had such a problem with their own citizens falsifying their credentials...it may never had happened in the first place.
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my visa application through Sydney ... and didn't need the interview because I had been before ... But did have a "different" experience with the transcript issue ... I knew that I might need transcript as part of that process (even though Seoul already had them) ... So I had sealed copies of the transcripts with me ... In approved format ... And they didn't want sealed transcripts they just wanted a copy of one ... So opened the sealed transcript ... took a photocopy of it ... I even offered the original ... and gave me back the now unsealed original ... I could live with it (I have more copies ...) ... But after all the hassle of signed/sealed transcripts ... It was strange more than anything ...
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