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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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One reason I object to 'fat empowerment' is the snowball effect. It is much easier to lose 10 pounds than 100 pounds. The morbid obese landwhales in electric carts crusing the wal-mart snack food isle physically can not exercise at all. They have to stop eating. And since their life style is defined by eating, they get all sad. I think fat people should have to go get mental help and so on. I always wonder why so many fat people (especially women) are depressed. They used to use the expression 'fat and happy.' but not anymore.
-But if we keep saying 'it's ok dear you look great, when she is 5 pounds over' she might believe it and figure on eating another donut. Then she is 10 pounds, and then 20, and then it goes down hill from there...ugh.
-Sadly although men seem to prefer really skinny women these days(look at a Rubens or Titian for comparison) women always put on weight faster than men. No way around this. So in conclusion let's all be nice. |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The overweight epidemic in the US is getting short shrift because consumerism is what's causing it. Consumerism is good for business. |
that's a part of it, but merely a part.
it's the car driving culture... the fact people don't/can't even walk to the store anymore.. they have to drive to the mall.
and the fast paced work crazy lifestyle which encourages people to grab fast food.
Fast/crappy food plus sitting on your ass in car and at work = blowing up like a balloon. |
Yep, that's it, convenience. Convenience saves people calories but they have trouble cutting back on their eating so those extra calories get saved in their bodies. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
I was reading on some forum where the women retorted that many men misled them about their height. People like to present themselves in certain ways. It is part of the hazard of dealing with the opposite sex.
Not everyone plays ball the way you want them, too. |
Yeah. That's my feeling. Women might lie about their weight but men misrepresent their height. |
...and marital status. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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The whole fat discussion makes no sense. You have the fat women trying to let everyone know that a woman can be beautiful no matter what she looks like, but then you have the media praising thin women. Men say they don't care, that they like a woman with a little meat, but you never see a "hot," built man with an overweight woman. Well, at least I have never. People try to pull the "Renaissance" card, saying back in the day voluptuous women signified health and reproduction. Then, to make matters worse, you have obese people trying to sue MacDonald's for getting them fat. People need to take responsibility for their bodies. If you feel that God gave you something, then work with it. If you hate your body, then work on that. I don't mean to hate on my fellow ladies (or fellas), but the debate feels like a lose-lose situation, sadly. I encourage losing weight for obese people because it's just better for their bodies.
P.S. I don't care what any woman says, but inside every one there is a thinner girl dying to be released. Even the skinny ones, ie: eating disorders! |
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Cornfed
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
| Men say they don't care, that they like a woman with a little meat, but you never see a "hot," built man with an overweight woman. Well, at least I have never. |
You often do see this where the man is the woman's chattel slave ("husband"), in which case he may have to stay with her for fear of having his children kidnapped, being reduced to living in a cardboard box, being jailed on trumped up charges and so on. The woman, knowing this, will often have no incentive not to instantly devolve into a hostile, frigid walrus after the wedding ceremony. Another reason not to get married. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
The whole fat discussion makes no sense. You have the fat women trying to let everyone know that a woman can be beautiful no matter what she looks like, but then you have the media praising thin women. Men say they don't care, that they like a woman with a little meat, but you never see a "hot," built man with an overweight woman. Well, at least I have never. People try to pull the "Renaissance" card, saying back in the day voluptuous women signified health and reproduction. Then, to make matters worse, you have obese people trying to sue MacDonald's for getting them fat. People need to take responsibility for their bodies. If you feel that God gave you something, then work with it. If you hate your body, then work on that. I don't mean to hate on my fellow ladies (or fellas), but the debate feels like a lose-lose situation, sadly. I encourage losing weight for obese people because it's just better for their bodies.
P.S. I don't care what any woman says, but inside every one there is a thinner girl dying to be released. Even the skinny ones, ie: eating disorders! |
this depends on what you mean by a little meat.
I like a little meat.
I don't like a lot of meat. I definitely draw the line on flabs of anything, or cheesecake. The human body wasn't designed for those.
I have almost no interest in human rails like Kate Moss, most runway models, and skinny chicks like Paris Hilton.
Average is perfectly fine (by average I don't mean the US average. which is what.. size 14?  )
a bit above average fine is good too.
Beyonce works.
I like the women in this Chingy video - very few if any "skinny" girls in it.
(except the very first's behind is just an incy wincy too big for me and the second one might be on the skinny side)
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=bd-0j9wDpaA
this on the other hand is BEYOND the line (for me anyways)
way beyond .. nasty folds underneath arms, etc.
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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I'm not trying to be funny or rude, but what is so interesting about this topic that warrants 4 pages?
Also, I don't really care what this coconut above me is attracted to. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| prideofidaho wrote: |
I'm not trying to be funny or rude, but what is so interesting about this topic that warrants 4 pages?
Also, I don't really care what this coconut above me is attracted to. |
thanks for adding .. going on 5 pages 
I'm reminded of an argument I had with a buddy in college. He told me to prove to him that "Idaho" really exists.
the only thing I could think of was "Idaho potatoes". He said that could merely be a brand name.
got any ideas for me? |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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I don't know, I'm not Idahoan. I'm pretty sure people who are can convince you.
Yeah, fair enough about adding to the thread. Carry on. |
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theholyinnocent
Joined: 06 Apr 2008
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| bogey666 wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| The overweight epidemic in the US is getting short shrift because consumerism is what's causing it. Consumerism is good for business. |
that's a part of it, but merely a part.
it's the car driving culture... the fact people don't/can't even walk to the store anymore.. they have to drive to the mall.
and the fast paced work crazy lifestyle which encourages people to grab fast food.
Fast/crappy food plus sitting on your ass in car and at work = blowing up like a balloon. |
I think it's far more to do with than that "consumerism." You could (hell, people do) make a killing marketing over-priced healthy food to people, almost as easily as you can make a killing selling a day's worth of calories in soda at a 200% markup or whatever. I mean, you can even convince people that buying more crap, your crap, the RIGHT crap, is GOOD for the environment -- you can sell anything to people in this country. If lettuce had a lobby and an awesome marketing team, we'd probably snack on that instead of Doritos. I think a lot of the why's of what people buy come down to the farm bill and the crops it subsidizes, which make the junk food cheaper, and since junk food is produced by companies those companies have a vested interest in lobbying for and marketing their product. But that's a separate topic entirely -- my point is that I think that in terms of obsessive consumption, people follow the marketing, and the marketing for a variety of reasons doesn't point to healthy foods in most cases.
I've lived in NYC my whole life and there's almost nothing I loathe more than extended visits to my partner's family in Kentucky. They're nice people, and the area is beautiful, but I always pack on some extra pounds and water weight just from never walking ANYWHERE and from the majorly unhealthy food they seem to eat all the time. I end up feeling super-gross and getting these ultra-strong cravings for salad and fish -- every single time, I swear. Even the few places that are within walking distance require walking on busy roads with no sidewalks and crossing four-lane roads with no pedestrian lights. Here in New York, I walk a couple miles as part of my every day activity. If I go out after work, I walk the ten blocks to the bar. If I go to the movies, I walk 20 minutes to and from the theater -- and it's really pleasant! We use the time to talk about work or, after the movie, to talk about the plot, the cinematography, etc. I walk from every restaurant I eat at, either to the subway or just straight to my apartment -- New York life is fast-paced, but it has healthy behavior built into it, while many cities in the US make healthy behavior almost impossible. I feel like the ability to live without depending on a car is such a luxury in this country; it's one of my few criteria that I basically would require before living somewhere else. I am so much happier and more relaxed when I get to walk around every day. Plus I never have to go to the gym!  |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| theholyinnocent wrote: |
| bogey666 wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| The overweight epidemic in the US is getting short shrift because consumerism is what's causing it. Consumerism is good for business. |
that's a part of it, but merely a part.
it's the car driving culture... the fact people don't/can't even walk to the store anymore.. they have to drive to the mall.
and the fast paced work crazy lifestyle which encourages people to grab fast food.
Fast/crappy food plus sitting on your ass in car and at work = blowing up like a balloon. |
I think it's far more to do with than that "consumerism." You could (hell, people do) make a killing marketing over-priced healthy food to people, almost as easily as you can make a killing selling a day's worth of calories in soda at a 200% markup or whatever. I mean, you can even convince people that buying more crap, your crap, the RIGHT crap, is GOOD for the environment -- you can sell anything to people in this country. If lettuce had a lobby and an awesome marketing team, we'd probably snack on that instead of Doritos. I think a lot of the why's of what people buy come down to the farm bill and the crops it subsidizes, which make the junk food cheaper, and since junk food is produced by companies those companies have a vested interest in lobbying for and marketing their product. But that's a separate topic entirely -- my point is that I think that in terms of obsessive consumption, people follow the marketing, and the marketing for a variety of reasons doesn't point to healthy foods in most cases.
I've lived in NYC my whole life and there's almost nothing I loathe more than extended visits to my partner's family in Kentucky. They're nice people, and the area is beautiful, but I always pack on some extra pounds and water weight just from never walking ANYWHERE and from the majorly unhealthy food they seem to eat all the time. I end up feeling super-gross and getting these ultra-strong cravings for salad and fish -- every single time, I swear. Even the few places that are within walking distance require walking on busy roads with no sidewalks and crossing four-lane roads with no pedestrian lights. Here in New York, I walk a couple miles as part of my every day activity. If I go out after work, I walk the ten blocks to the bar. If I go to the movies, I walk 20 minutes to and from the theater -- and it's really pleasant! We use the time to talk about work or, after the movie, to talk about the plot, the cinematography, etc. I walk from every restaurant I eat at, either to the subway or just straight to my apartment -- New York life is fast-paced, but it has healthy behavior built into it, while many cities in the US make healthy behavior almost impossible. I feel like the ability to live without depending on a car is such a luxury in this country; it's one of my few criteria that I basically would require before living somewhere else. I am so much happier and more relaxed when I get to walk around every day. Plus I never have to go to the gym! |
yeah, and Southern "cuisine" is infamous for fucking FRYING everything.
NYC is actually a bit unique from the rest of the country and far more cosmopolitan. You have a lot of foreigners in New York too..
I love NYC, particularly Manhattan. If it weren't so preposterously expensive to live there, I'd move there in the proverbal "New York minute
what I don't quite get are the people that live in Jersey, say Hoboken.. in order to work in NY. Unless you're banking on making a lot more dough down the road, and biding time, why the hell would you want to live in Jersey?
NY is one of the very few cities in the US where you can enjoy walking around, can walk around and actually enjoy the sights around you - which actually include women! |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Spinich had a lobby and a cartoon character called popeye and STILL kids don't want to eat it. |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| theholyinnocent wrote: |
| bogey666 wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| The overweight epidemic in the US is getting short shrift because consumerism is what's causing it. Consumerism is good for business. |
that's a part of it, but merely a part.
it's the car driving culture... the fact people don't/can't even walk to the store anymore.. they have to drive to the mall.
and the fast paced work crazy lifestyle which encourages people to grab fast food.
Fast/crappy food plus sitting on your ass in car and at work = blowing up like a balloon. |
I think it's far more to do with than that "consumerism." You could (hell, people do) make a killing marketing over-priced healthy food to people, almost as easily as you can make a killing selling a day's worth of calories in soda at a 200% markup or whatever. I mean, you can even convince people that buying more crap, your crap, the RIGHT crap, is GOOD for the environment -- you can sell anything to people in this country. If lettuce had a lobby and an awesome marketing team, we'd probably snack on that instead of Doritos. I think a lot of the why's of what people buy come down to the farm bill and the crops it subsidizes, which make the junk food cheaper, and since junk food is produced by companies those companies have a vested interest in lobbying for and marketing their product. But that's a separate topic entirely -- my point is that I think that in terms of obsessive consumption, people follow the marketing, and the marketing for a variety of reasons doesn't point to healthy foods in most cases.
I've lived in NYC my whole life and there's almost nothing I loathe more than extended visits to my partner's family in Kentucky. They're nice people, and the area is beautiful, but I always pack on some extra pounds and water weight just from never walking ANYWHERE and from the majorly unhealthy food they seem to eat all the time. I end up feeling super-gross and getting these ultra-strong cravings for salad and fish -- every single time, I swear. Even the few places that are within walking distance require walking on busy roads with no sidewalks and crossing four-lane roads with no pedestrian lights. Here in New York, I walk a couple miles as part of my every day activity. If I go out after work, I walk the ten blocks to the bar. If I go to the movies, I walk 20 minutes to and from the theater -- and it's really pleasant! We use the time to talk about work or, after the movie, to talk about the plot, the cinematography, etc. I walk from every restaurant I eat at, either to the subway or just straight to my apartment -- New York life is fast-paced, but it has healthy behavior built into it, while many cities in the US make healthy behavior almost impossible. I feel like the ability to live without depending on a car is such a luxury in this country; it's one of my few criteria that I basically would require before living somewhere else. I am so much happier and more relaxed when I get to walk around every day. Plus I never have to go to the gym! |
That's the good thing about living abroad. I walk everywhere and not just jump in my car like I did back in the States. Then again, I haven't lived in the States much in the past two years.
Bogey, I have lost 65 pounds. Top weight was 280 lbs and now I am around 214 lbs (need to go to the gym and weigh myself this week). Since I am 6'3", 214 lbs looks damn good on me. I think a perfect weight would be around 198 and that's my goal. I attribute it to not being a college student anymore and caring more about my health. Didn't want a heart attack at 45. |
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bogey666
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Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| theholyinnocent wrote: |
| [Bogey, I have lost 65 pounds. Top weight was 280 lbs and now I am around 214 lbs (need to go to the gym and weigh myself this week). Since I am 6'3", 214 lbs looks damn good on me. I think a perfect weight would be around 198 and that's my goal. I attribute it to not being a college student anymore and caring more about my health. Didn't want a heart attack at 45. |
hey, good for you and congratulations.. and I sincerely mean that!
yes, I would think at 6'3 you would look quite good! (i'd venture you'd look better at 214 than 198, but now knowing your frame, etc it's your call)
I'm 4 inches shorter but wouldn't really want to go much below 194, unless I could keep my size and merely shred (very difficult to do naturally)
anyways - like I said, hearty congrats, and without stirring any nest, I just wonder why you seemed to be almost "complaining" on a post or two that I read that you were shedding the excess weight in Korea because the Koreans were TOO focused on appearance (they indeed ARE, but still)
you sound content now and at the risk of sounding corny, I am happy that you're happy. |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Hank the Iconoclast wrote: |
| theholyinnocent wrote: |
| [Bogey, I have lost 65 pounds. Top weight was 280 lbs and now I am around 214 lbs (need to go to the gym and weigh myself this week). Since I am 6'3", 214 lbs looks damn good on me. I think a perfect weight would be around 198 and that's my goal. I attribute it to not being a college student anymore and caring more about my health. Didn't want a heart attack at 45. |
hey, good for you and congratulations.. and I sincerely mean that!
yes, I would think at 6'3 you would look quite good! (i'd venture you'd look better at 214 than 198, but now knowing your frame, etc it's your call)
I'm 4 inches shorter but wouldn't really want to go much below 194, unless I could keep my size and merely shred (very difficult to do naturally)
anyways - like I said, hearty congrats, and without stirring any nest, I just wonder why you seemed to be almost "complaining" on a post or two that I read that you were shedding the excess weight in Korea because the Koreans were TOO focused on appearance (they indeed ARE, but still)
you sound content now and at the risk of sounding corny, I am happy that you're happy. |
I get fed up that a person's self-worth is totally attributed to whether they are overweight or not. If you carry a few extra pounds (not obese), you are automatically considered overweight and therefore a lesser person. It's not healthy.
Btw, thanks. I have a large frame and big shoulders. So I carry 214 very well but I have a fixation on the whole 200 number in my mind. That's why I want to get under it. |
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