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howie2424
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amo_jh said
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| Lee did the dumbest thing by lifting all safety measures. |
This would be an excellent argument if it wasn't a complete fantasy. LMB didn't 'lift' anything. Pres. Roh agreed to all of this last year. LMB is simply implementing that agreement. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for admitting I was right. |
Just some figures, no corroboration. Maybe you should find some actual numbers to point me to. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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"MissSeoul,"
Is there no level too low for you to sink to with your trolling? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I protested in college, but it was over things like asking for the disclosure of genetically modified food when sold to the public, so we could have a choice in what we purchase, and there was some bombing in Lebanon by Israel or something that I protested. I definitely was into human rights causes and the like.
It is good to have the right to protest. The president of Korea didn't handle the beef thing properly. I think many of the Koreans protesting the beef thing in many cases are very, very ignorant about the issues. Seriously, where are the people in the media who are sober in their thoughts and thinking and preaching more balanced thinking on the issues? |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not saying we shouldn't eat beef from the US. I think keeping it under the 30 month period is a good way to ensure safe beef. The US beef industry could eliminate this issue overnight by agreeing to test more cattle. As long as they stubbornly refuse to do that I don't think Koreans are being unreasonable in demanding the same standards set by other countries.
and GtCL, try to argue the points instead of being so emotional. |
That would be a good idea.... IF there was a shred of evidence that older American beef can give you vCJD.
There is not.
AGAIN: according to the BBC, 18% of the cow slaughtered in the US for domestic consummation are over 30 months. Simple math (the USDA estimates 28.1 billion pounds consumed, which means 5 billion pounds over this supposedly horrid 'over 30 month beef' consumed. 16 pounds per American.) 0, zero, cases of mad cow caused by eating America beef.
Again, regardless of what of other countries do, Korea negotiates in bad faith.
First the bones, now the age....
next it will be no cows without red hair, or some similarly ridiculous request.
You, and the rest of Koreans, totally ignore the fact that the safety standards for 한우 ARE LOWER than in the US.
The US can make slightly ridiculous agreements with these other countries, because they actually negotiate, not play these stupid passionate insulting games.
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friendoken
Joined: 19 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: can't....stand.....the ignorance |
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Even the god damn colleges are going to protest.
Aren't they supposed to be the smart ones?
mad cow is not a problem!!! |
Dude, have you even been to a North American post-secondary institution? Retards... everywhere. Hippie retards, jock retards, "smart" retards, professor retards...
Sure, intelligence occurs at more regular intervals than in the real world, but colleges are also notorious for having the worst kind of retard... the kind that thinks they're smart. |
Awhile back I remember having read something from a person at Readers Digest who had been interviewing MBA's.
"I have just spoken to the most dangerous individual of all, the articulate incompetent." |
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howie2424
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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wanamin said
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| You, and the rest of Koreans, totally ignore the fact that the safety standards for 한우 ARE LOWER than in the US. |
This is really the heart of the matter for me. Surely the solution to the problem is to simply subject US beef to the same safety and hygiene requiremnts as Korean beef. If you do that, US beef passes with flying colors. But Koreans aren't willing to accept that. They want one set of standards for American beef and another set of much lower standards for domestic beef. |
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Roving_gypsy_gurl
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm beginning to think the issue is less mad cow and a bit more the 2MB government's handling of the issue.
The people feel like their concerns have been brushed aside in a sort of totilitarian "we do what we want because we are in charge" sort of way. |
Allowing freedom is trade is the exact opposite of being a totalitarian. Allowing people to CHOOSE whether they want to buy US beef, by not barring its import, is the essence of freedom. Those who want to bar it from consumers who would gladly pay are the totalitarians. |
This is why I think it's interesting that so many protesters are young people -- those with the least amount of choice about what goes in their school lunches. Unless they bring food from home -- which I suppose is perfectly possible although I see very few young Koreans actually DO it -- they will have to eat whatever is available in their school cafeteria, which is likely to be the cheapest meat available for purchase.
I still think the issue is bigger than beef though, and I have to disagree with the poster who said "who cares". A government is elected to govern to the will of the people. Otherwise, a leader who thinks he "knows better" can essentially do what he wants with an entire population and its resources. I don't know how disasterous rejecting this deal would be for the Korean economy, but if the majority of Koreans want to chance it (which is possible, but not certain) then that should be respected. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| A government is elected to govern to the will of the people. |
And the rioters constitute the majority of the Korean electorate? Wow. Who knew?
By the way, you have grossly over-simplified and mis-stated the concept of representative democracy.
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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This whole US beef thing is a joke. It isn't about Mad Cow disease. If that were the REAL issue, ie. the safety of their children, then Koreans would not have voted AGAINST the mandatory child seat law.
Imagine that.
Car accidents kill more kids in Korea, in one month, than Mad Cow has globally in history .. but mandatory child seats are too expensive? |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If that were the REAL issue, ie. the safety of their children, then Koreans would not have voted AGAINST the mandatory child seat law. |
I think you're referring to mandatory child seats. When I checked my driver's license manual, it included a list of offenses and the set fines for them. The driver can be fined if not everyone in the vehicle is using a safety restraint (i.e, seat belt). |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| If that were the REAL issue, ie. the safety of their children, then Koreans would not have voted AGAINST the mandatory child seat law. |
I think you're referring to mandatory child seats. When I checked my driver's license manual, it included a list of offenses and the set fines for them. The driver can be fined if not everyone in the vehicle is using a safety restraint (i.e, seat belt). |
Seat belts are useless for small children. There is no law that requires child seats unless the kid sits in the front seat.
Koreans protested vehemently against them. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
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| If that were the REAL issue, ie. the safety of their children, then Koreans would not have voted AGAINST the mandatory child seat law. |
I think you're referring to mandatory child seats. When I checked my driver's license manual, it included a list of offenses and the set fines for them. The driver can be fined if not everyone in the vehicle is using a safety restraint (i.e, seat belt). |
Seat belts are useless for small children. There is no law that requires child seats unless the kid sits in the front seat.
Koreans protested vehemently against them. |
Why would anyone driving in Korea need a seat belt? Everyone knows Korea has the safest drivers in the world. Back in New York, their superior automotive skills are legendary.
Oh wait, I see, they do let some foreigners get cars here.
Thats why we need seat belts! |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
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| If that were the REAL issue, ie. the safety of their children, then Koreans would not have voted AGAINST the mandatory child seat law. |
I think you're referring to mandatory child seats. When I checked my driver's license manual, it included a list of offenses and the set fines for them. The driver can be fined if not everyone in the vehicle is using a safety restraint (i.e, seat belt). |
Seat belts are useless for small children. There is no law that requires child seats unless the kid sits in the front seat.
Koreans protested vehemently against them. |
You may want to re-read my posting again. You will see that I merely pointed out what the driver's license manual had to say. It's an oft-repeated myth that "seat belts are required only for the front." |
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crescent
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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No. You need to re-read. I stated plain as day I was speaking of mandatory child seats and you replied "I think you're referring to mandatory child seats."
I know seat belts are required all around. So what?
The point you missed is that seat belts are useless for, if not harmful to, small children.
That's why we have child seats. They (CHILD SEATS!!!) are not required by law here unless the child sits in the front seat.
Koreans protested against them.
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| Seat belts are mandatory. Children riding in the front seat of vehicles must wear a seat belt or use an appropriate child car seat. |
http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1018.html |
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