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Shoes, Wiping After a Bowel Movement and Late Pay
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darrenmullins



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Shoes, Wiping After a Bowel Movement and Late Pay Reply with quote

It is time for me to dump on Asian culture. After living here for four years-three of them in Korea and one in Japan, I still do not understand why these idiots are so offended by shoes being worn indoors. It seems like it isn't limted to houses too. It also includes restaurants, motels and even recording studios.

I know that the reason for this rule has to do with cleaness, but I don't understand why wearing shoes inside is so offensive when I go to a restroom and see that there is no toilet paper for a person to properly wipe after having a bowel movement. The stupidity doesn't stop there. Even if you are lucky enough to find a restroom with toilet paper, you may not have soap to wash your hands after you wipe yourself. I am sorry, but a few sheets of toilet paper between my hand and my you-know-what doesn't cut it. Soap is needed too.

I wish the stupidity stopped with that, but it doesn't. Koreans put up with poor working conditions, cheating spouses and yet all they can do is whine about shoes.

I have heard it said "when in Rome do as the Romans do". Any foreigners here that say that deserve to be screwed on their pay. Not wearing shoes indoors and not being paid on time are both part of Korean culture. It is funny how I have met many westerners here who are jerks about removing shoes indoors, but they will not tolerate late pay. The westerners who do this would NEVER think about removing shoes back in their home countries.

Many of the people who read this will not be smart enough to understand what I am talking about. I am only trying point out that the Korean way is not always the best way.

One last thing-allowing a person to lay face down in a pool at a sauna for 30 minutes seems to also be Korean culture.

Koreans can allow people to die in a pool at a sauna.
Koreans can have a bowel movement and have no regard for wiping ourselves or washing our hands.
Koreans can tolerate late pay if we are paid at all.

Koreans will not wear shoes indoors.

I hope everyone can see how CAVEMAN-ISH these people are.
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rhinocharge64



Joined: 20 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CONGRATULATIONS!!! You are knob jockey of the month. Oh, and get some pyshchatric help you clown.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, as gross as the streets and sidewalks are with ajosshis spitting, China dust, etc., I can't see why anyone would want to wear shoes in their house here.

Ever lay on the floor of your home?
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Tarkaan



Joined: 09 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
Personally, as gross as the streets and sidewalks are with ajosshis spitting, China dust, etc., I can't see why anyone would want to wear shoes in their house here.

Ever lay on the floor of your home?


Only on Wednesday nights after the cleaning lady has come and my sheets aren't quite dry yet.
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't like it, so here's what you do.

carry a bottle of dettoll soap on you in your bag wherever you go. Take some toilet paper as well. That's what I do, it works fine. Wash your hands, wipe your ass, you've got it covered. You can do it, I know you can.

And people in the west cheat on their spouses just as much as they do here.
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darrenmullins



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly the response I knew I would get. I have taken note of how nobody is complaining about getting screwed on pay and how nobody cares that a person was allowed to lay face down in a pool of water. Darwin was on to something.

For the record-I do carry a bar of soap and tissue with me.

Don't even get me started on people coughing here without covering their mouths. It seems that Koreans don't carry germs. Those are imported by English teachers.
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svetsky



Joined: 02 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Shoes, Wiping After a Bowel Movement and Late Pay Reply with quote

darrenmullins wrote:
It is time for me to dump on Asian culture. After living here for four years-three of them in Korea and one in Japan, I still do not understand why these idiots are so offended by shoes being worn indoors. It seems like it isn't limted to houses too. It also includes restaurants, motels and even recording studios.

I know that the reason for this rule has to do with cleaness, but I don't understand why wearing shoes inside is so offensive when I go to a restroom and see that there is no toilet paper for a person to properly wipe after having a bowel movement. The stupidity doesn't stop there. Even if you are lucky enough to find a restroom with toilet paper, you may not have soap to wash your hands after you wipe yourself. I am sorry, but a few sheets of toilet paper between my hand and my you-know-what doesn't cut it. Soap is needed too.

I wish the stupidity stopped with that, but it doesn't. Koreans put up with poor working conditions, cheating spouses and yet all they can do is whine about shoes.

I have heard it said "when in Rome do as the Romans do". Any foreigners here that say that deserve to be screwed on their pay. Not wearing shoes indoors and not being paid on time are both part of Korean culture. It is funny how I have met many westerners here who are jerks about removing shoes indoors, but they will not tolerate late pay. The westerners who do this would NEVER think about removing shoes back in their home countries.

Many of the people who read this will not be smart enough to understand what I am talking about. I am only trying point out that the Korean way is not always the best way.

One last thing-allowing a person to lay face down in a pool at a sauna for 30 minutes seems to also be Korean culture.

Koreans can allow people to die in a pool at a sauna.
Koreans can have a bowel movement and have no regard for wiping ourselves or washing our hands.
Koreans can tolerate late pay if we are paid at all.

Koreans will not wear shoes indoors.

I hope everyone can see how CAVEMAN-ISH these people are.


Korea is not the only country where shoes aren't allowed indoors...I've lived all over Europe, Japan, England and several places in the U.S.
In europe, it's customary to leave you're shoes in the hallway of someone's house...it makes's sense, I have no problems with it.
I can see how it can get annoying in Korea because shoes are not allowed in some businesses as well...but I also understood it a "respect" issue as well as for cleanliness.

As for the "toilet paper" issue, well that's annoying too, but I must say, again it's not the only country..in several countries in europe I experienced that. But they have toilet paper vending machines.
I noticed that a lot of folks carry tissues around, maybe the culture sees "toilet paper" as a personal responsibility...I've seen toilet paper vending machines in Korea too.....

As far as lumping all the issues together: shoes, toilet paper, late pay, spitting etc. to make some kind of point, it won't work, I've definitely learned by all my travels that there are contridictiontions and hypocrises in every culture, in even the most advanced and human ones...

I'm not pro or against Korea, I'm just trying to focus on where we do connect rather than where we differ. I learned the hard way when I lived in a european country and was constantly comparing, I was so filled with anger. I found that it had more to do with feeling homesick, so I went "home". and left again...
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darrenmullins



Joined: 30 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Removing shoes is also common in Japan. My problem there is that while we must remove our shoes while entering a house, we must also remove shoes when we enter a school building. Classrooms there do not have heat. I taught there in the winter and teachers and students both would wear coats while class was in session.

My problem is not with removing shoes. My problem is how people do not tolerate wearing shoes indoors while they tolerate much worse things. Personally, a person wearing shoes in my house would be the last thing I would be concerned with if my wife was cheating on me, I hadn't been paid in three months or if my apartment was a firetrap.
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Stormy



Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good points. Because in other countries nobody ever cheats on their spouse, nobody ever assaults or murders other people, they are all kind & sweet & decent to each other every day. Every single person who uses a toilet lathers up afterwards & cares about hygiene. Nobody ever has problems at work or late pay or crap bosses. People wear their muddy boots everywhere including bed. There are also unicorns and fairies roaming the magic forests. You'd better leave this hellhole asap & head back to fairyland before you too are tainted.
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merkurix



Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darrenmullins wrote:
Removing shoes is also common in Japan. My problem there is that while we must remove our shoes while entering a house, we must also remove shoes when we enter a school building. Classrooms there do not have heat. I taught there in the winter and teachers and students both would wear coats while class was in session.

My problem is not with removing shoes. My problem is how people do not tolerate wearing shoes indoors while they tolerate much worse things. Personally, a person wearing shoes in my house would be the last thing I would be concerned with if my wife was cheating on me, I hadn't been paid in three months or if my apartment was a firetrap.


Dude, you sound jaded. Take a break from this place, reflect and come back. Worked for me--5 years running.
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rubric



Joined: 28 Oct 2006
Location: Pongdongfongyong

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After five years here I couldn't imagine walking through the house (here or back home) without offing the shoes. Spit, dog shit, bugs and crap in the house on the floor, no thanks.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Every time I come across your avatar, I can't help but watch it for a while. For some reason, I feel like I have to watch the sequence at least four or five times...
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Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, I watch and watch. And always the question in my mind is "Why didn't the standing girl turn off the stupid treadmill?" They must not be friends...
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rubric



Joined: 28 Oct 2006
Location: Pongdongfongyong

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think she was set up for this as a practical joke.
The twist and smack into the wall starts me laughing...I'm sick and I need help Sad
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg to differ. In the west, is whoring 4% of the GNP?

Lekker wrote:
You don't like it, so here's what you do.

carry a bottle of dettoll soap on you in your bag wherever you go. Take some toilet paper as well. That's what I do, it works fine. Wash your hands, wipe your ass, you've got it covered. You can do it, I know you can.

And people in the west cheat on their spouses just as much as they do here.
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