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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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And you happen to be American and fed up with all this mad cow nonsense.. this might cheer you up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmaXY7LM268
This is a clip from the 1988 Seoul olympics in which Ray Mercer, who at the time was a US army sergeant fought the South Korean heavyweight hero Hyun Main Baik who stopped Andrew Golota to the way to the final... anyway - enjoy! |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Nonesense?
These demonstrations are the best show on TV.
Lots of new exciting action every night. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I thought it was going to be a video of the fight from '88, when the Koreans bribed the officials and 'won' a heavyweight medal.
You know what I'm referring to? |
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cisco kid
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I thought it was going to be a video of the fight from '88, when the Koreans bribed the officials and 'won' a heavyweight medal.
You know what I'm referring to? |
That was Roy Jones
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE7DA1F38F931A35753C1A96E948260
THE SEOUL OLYMPICS; Boxing Ends in Controversy
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After two weeks of controversy, turmoil and hostility in a cauldron called the Chamshil Students' Gymnasium, it probably would have been too much to expect the boxing competition to end with the Olympic spirit prevailing. So what might otherwise have been considered a good showing by an inexperienced team from the United States was forgotten today in another round of protest, which included allegations of possible bribery.
Roy Jones, a flashy light-middleweight with a good left hook, lost in the final to Park Si Hun of South Korea, who won on the cards of three of the five judges. In the opinion of other boxing judges watching at ringside, and given the number of hooks Jones landed almost at will on the right side of Park's face, this appeared to be what boxing people call a hometown decision. An Ironic Twist
In an ironic twist, Jones was voted the outstanding boxer of the Olympics by the judges and referees working here.
In the super-heavyweight bout, there were no complaints or excuses as the Brooklyn-born Riddick Bowe was stopped by Lennox Lewis of Canada at 43 seconds of the second round. The United States did win one gold today as Andrew Maynard, a light-heavyweight, won a 5-0 decision and the gold medal against Nourmagomed Chanavazov of the Soviet Union.
During the medal ceremony for the light-middleweight champion, Park reached down from the gold medal podium, raising Jones's hand. 'He Knows Who Won'
''He knows who won,'' said Hank Johnson, the assistant coach of the United States. ''Everybody knows. But they're not hurting the country, they're hurting the athletes. I'd like to get to those judges and just ask why?''
Ken Adams, the head coach of the American team, began ranting and raving before the decision was officially announced.
''It was outrageous,'' he said. ''Everyone in the world knows who won.''
Adams even charged that a couple of officials, one working the Jones bout, may have been bribed. He said he saw a well-dressed South Korean showing officials ''a rag with pieces of gold'' one day, and flashing a wallet to the officials on another day. A South Korean boxing official said Adams saw commemorative key rings being distributed.
''I reported it; neither official took the gold or money, not then, anyway,'' Adams said, refusing to name the officials.
Jim Fox, executive director of the United States Amateur Boxing Federation, said that Adams mentioned the incident following the last bout today. 'We Don't Do Too Well on Protests'
''If this report is correct, we'll have to take it to the highest authorities and get it straightened out,'' he said. ''But as you know, we don't do too well on protests.''
Fox said he would talk with Adams and ''file a written paper with A.I.B.A. and ask for an official investigation.'' He said he would not appeal the actual decision.
Yoon Dae Won, press spokesman for the Korean Boxing Federation, said later today that what Adams saw were key chains in the shape of gold ingots that were presented to all boxing officials.
Standing in the corridor before the medal ceremony, Jones said that Park, speaking through an interpreter, apologized.
''He told me he's sorry,'' Jones said. ''He told me he lost but the officials gave it to him.''
Two of the judges, Zaut Gvadjava of the Soviet Union and Sandor Pajar of Hungary, voted 60-56 in favor of the American, about as one-sided as a bout can be without the referee stopping it. But judges from Uruguay, Morocco and Uganda gave a narrow decision to the South Korean. Bob Kasule of Uganda actually scored the bout a draw, but awarded Park the decision on punching superiority.
''I don't even think he hit me more than a couple of times,'' Jones said afterward. ''I beat him to the point where I felt I couldn't get robbed. But I did. I was doing a good job, hitting him with just about everything I threw.''
In his disappointment, the 19-year-old fighter from Pensacola, Fla., said he planned to quit boxing. He felt that way last April after losing in the National Golden Gloves semifinal, but changed his mind because an Olympic gold was a dream he shared with his father, who is also his coach.
Roderick Robertson, a British judge and referee, called the decision ''a robbery,'' saying he was retiring from international competition. Elmo Adolph, the only United States judge and referee working at the Olympics, called the fight ''an absolute steal.''
''I told Roy to sit down in the middle of the ring,'' Adolph said. ''I can't believe the imcompetence of the officials. It's the worst decision I've ever seen.''
Maynard, whose bout followed Jones's, said his victory seemed hollow right now. The two boxers were roommates during the Olympics, becoming friends.
''To see it all taken away from Roy Jones, I can't feel happy now,'' Maynard said.
Thus, the United States finished with three gold medals, three silver and a bronze, not a bad showing given a lack of international experience in what has been a tumultuous year, even by boxing standards.
''Our kids have fought great,'' Fox said. ''But this takes the wind out of our sails.'' But the day ended with the United States boxers standing in the ring, long after the competition ended, holding a flag, posing for photos. They were leaving Seoul as a team. |
And finally, the video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o0cNugcG6zg |
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KiteOperations
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| And you happen to be American and fed up with all this mad cow nonsense... |
if youre from the states. you might be..
but mad cow NONSENSE? NATIONALISM?
its not a bit of about anti-americanism or something like that hyping nationalism at all, you dumbo. shut up and just stick in to your cave.
its all about to having safer food you eat and have your kids eat. its a big deal.
have you ever tried nae-jang-tang? Kori-gom-tang? which made of innards and backbone etc.
those are typical everyday Korean menu for a lunch or dinner while americans in the states don't eat.
to throw away useless parts for them or to export and even make big money for some who use
anyway obvious possibility of having masses of SRM for us and you having a diet here. you'd be less safe here rather than your back home unless youre a vegan. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| And you happen to be American and fed up with all this mad cow nonsense... |
if youre from the states. you might be..
but mad cow NONSENSE? NATIONALISM?
its not a bit of about anti-americanism or something like that hyping nationalism at all, you dumbo. shut up and just stick in to your cave.
its all about to having safer food you eat and have your kids eat. its a big deal.
have you ever tried nae-jang-tang? Kori-gom-tang? which made of innards and backbone etc.
those are typical everyday Korean menu for a lunch or dinner while americans in the states don't eat.
to throw away useless parts for them or to export and even make big money for some who use
anyway obvious possibility of having masses of SRM for us and you having a diet here. you'd be less safe here rather than your back home unless youre a vegan. |
NONSENSE! NATIONALISM!
science proves American beef is safer than Korean beef.
so by fighting American beef, Koreans are making their children's food LESS safe, and MORE expensive.
wake up idiot!!! nae-jang-tang? Kori-gom-tang?
Perhaps you have heard of that wonderful American delicacy...
the "Hot Dog". It's loaded with "masses of SRM".
Bologna... same.
Sorry to interrupt you though, get back to drinking the kool-aid like the rest of the protesters. Don't like science or reason get in your way. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| And you happen to be American and fed up with all this mad cow nonsense... |
if youre from the states. you might be..
but mad cow NONSENSE? NATIONALISM?
its not a bit of about anti-americanism or something like that hyping nationalism at all, you dumbo. shut up and just stick in to your cave.
its all about to having safer food you eat and have your kids eat. its a big deal.
have you ever tried nae-jang-tang? Kori-gom-tang? which made of innards and backbone etc.
those are typical everyday Korean menu for a lunch or dinner while americans in the states don't eat.
to throw away useless parts for them or to export and even make big money for some who use
anyway obvious possibility of having masses of SRM for us and you having a diet here. you'd be less safe here rather than your back home unless youre a vegan. |
Kiteoperations - Shhhhhhhhhhhh!  As a Brit - we had our own BSE-Mad cow sensationalism crap 10 years ago! According to people who should have known better - we were all going to know someone who was going to die of mad cow disease - it was an epidemic, a timebomb waiting to explode - blehblehblehbleh.
It turned out to be a load of shite! Me? I went out and bought steak for a pound per pound in weight - great days!
The thing is - if you are going to be suspectible to every silly scare story
the media throw out - your life is going to be miserable.
Anyway - have you got any opinion on Ray Mercers KO of Hyun Man Baik?  Brilliant wasn't it? |
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Chicoloco
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
Location: In the ring.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was going to be a video of the fight from '88, when the Koreans bribed the officials and 'won' a heavyweight medal.
You know what I'm referring to? |
That was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. Three of the judges had been bribed by the Koreans prior to the fight. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Chicoloco wrote: |
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I thought it was going to be a video of the fight from '88, when the Koreans bribed the officials and 'won' a heavyweight medal.
You know what I'm referring to? |
That was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. Three of the judges had been bribed by the Koreans prior to the fight. |
Yup the Olympics has stuff like that happen every time it is on. It is probably the #1 reason I don't watch non team sport events. That is any sport that is judged, I don't watch. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| You have to be nationalistic to object to another country exporting infected meat into your country? |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Look. It's not a very sophisticated argument to understand : You have more chance of dying by chocking on meat than mad cows. I don't think the prospect of chocking would stop any rational person from eating it....so why should this ? Certainly to be out in the streets protesting like that....well.....madness.
Grow up you easily manipulated and frightened idiots. Scaremongering : look it up. |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| And you happen to be American and fed up with all this mad cow nonsense... |
if youre from the states. you might be..
but mad cow NONSENSE? NATIONALISM?
its not a bit of about anti-americanism or something like that hyping nationalism at all, you dumbo. shut up and just stick in to your cave.
its all about to having safer food you eat and have your kids eat. its a big deal.
have you ever tried nae-jang-tang? Kori-gom-tang? which made of innards and backbone etc.
those are typical everyday Korean menu for a lunch or dinner while americans in the states don't eat.
to throw away useless parts for them or to export and even make big money for some who use
anyway obvious possibility of having masses of SRM for us and you having a diet here. you'd be less safe here rather than your back home unless youre a vegan. |
Dude you sound really uninformed. How long have you been in Korea? This has virtually nothing to do with 'safe' meat. If Koreans were really (really) concerned about their children's safety they would put their infants in safety seats, their older children in seatbelts, and obey traffic laws. Instead, on the way to the protest, these gallant defenders of children's rights run twenty red lights while wee Kim, two years old, plays up at the back window. And we're supposed to believe that these protests are about their children's safety. 
Anti-Americanism pure and simple, with a very unhealthy touch of economic protectionism and a bizarre affection for mass vigils. Very little to do with the meat at all. The freaks torture and eat 3 million dogs a year. This industry isn't regulated in any way at all, because the gov't denies it exists? Where are the protests against the threst from dangerous dog meat? Where are the protests against the horrific torture of dogs to make them (supposedly) more delicious? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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Michael Breen, a British journalist, quotes a foreign banker who worked closely with a chaebol as saying:
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| "I make a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? I will not support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. But in the case of Korea it is almost a religious doctrine to keep foreign things out. If you buy a foreign car, you're seen as a traitor. They pick narrow industrial sectors and all jump in like copycats. If I see a Korean sports team, I root for the other side. Why? Because they're so full of themselves that they leave no room for other parties to participate and enjoy themselves. The 1988 Olympics was worse than the Hitler Games of 1936. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behaviour if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea's problems are the result of wilfulness by foreigners. This is the mark of a scoundrel." |
Michael Breen (1998). The Koreans; Who They Are, What They Want, Where There Future Lies. New York: St. Martins Press (pages 19-20).
Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews:
The Koreans: Who They Are, What They Want, Where Their Future Lies
by Michael Breen
http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0312326092/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: If you are getting fed up of the Korean nationalism... |
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| KiteOperations wrote: |
its all about to having safer food you eat and have your kids eat. its a big deal.
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Educate yourself and then come back to this thread. Honestly, man, if at this point you could still have even a tiny inkling that this has ANYTHING to do with food safety (or facts), then I have a bridge to sell you. |
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wayfarer
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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| Korea at times reminds me of nothing so much as the Land of Liliput. You know, that little nation in Gulliver's Travels, where everyone is three inches tall and believes that their king is the emperor of the universe. Feisty, demanding, and belligerent, yet cowardly, with little regard for the outside world, and mortal enemies with another three-inch tall nation a few yards away. When Gulliver shipwrecks on their coast they manage to tie him up and use him for their own purposes. Eventually he escapes. Sometimes I feel (just a little bit) like Gulliver. |
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