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Do you feel generally superior or inferior to Koreans?
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Do you generally feel superior or inferior to Koreans?
superior
47%
 47%  [ 51 ]
inferior
4%
 4%  [ 5 ]
it depends
13%
 13%  [ 14 ]
comparisons are odious
30%
 30%  [ 33 ]
other (please explain)
3%
 3%  [ 4 ]
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Do you feel generally superior or inferior to Koreans? Reply with quote

Someone recently posted that he felt like Gulliver in Lilliput--in other words, superior.
I was surprised to read that, because I have been struggling to learn the Korean language for the last 8 years, and I feel like Gulliver in Brobdingnag whenever I am in the company of a Korean who speaks English better than I speak Korean.

I consider it a Korean flaunts his or her English profiency in the face of a foreigner who is struggling to learn Korean, just as it is rude to eat in front of a hungry person.
Other people don't seem to think so, though.

Why do I feel differently from other foreigners?
Probably because intellectual achievement has always been my highest priority, whereas other foreigners might have other priorities, such as family or friends.
So if a person rejects a skill which I have been working on for 8 years, I take that as a blanket rejection.

If you call me crazy or paranoid, you are not telling me anything I haven't heard before.
This time, I'm after constructive answers.
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Stevie_B



Joined: 14 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chose 'superior', though I should qualify that: I feel superior to everyone.
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomato, where are you from? Just curious. (btw I clicked comparisons are odious Smile
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I feel the same as you when it comes to language...I often find myself feeling inferior to my korean friends who speak english really well...

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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see...

Driving home from work tonight, I saw:

A Korean women start to walk into a crosswalk (pitch dark) when there wasn't a walk signal, while my car was about 5 feet from entering said sidewalk. She eventually decided to not stand in the sidewalk and joined the group of 3 others waiting on the sidewalk.

I saw two men riding ten speed bikes in their suits, with no reflectors on the bikes, so riding in the pitch dark. One man was riding into the direction of oncoming traffic, as was a high school boy down a lightless side road.

Earlier in the day I saw a women coming up one of those alley roads with her stroller. Didn't seem at all aware of my car coming down the hill towards her, again within only feet of her she hadn't looked up and was still in the road.

Koreans developed virtually nothing in recorded history. They shun modern advances that don't jive with "korean-ness".

I feel vastly superior to Korean society as a whole. Individual Koreans I generally like, but despise the system of thought that keeps them in the dark to modernity.
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nicholas_chiasson



Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea has invented nothing in recorder history?
Ummm they did invent the first armored battleship in Asia...
On a serious note is it just me or is this one of the worst worded topics I've ever seen on daves?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:
Tomato, where are you from? Just curious.


미국.

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
On a serious note is it just me or is this one of the worst worded topics I've ever seen on daves?


That's the best I could do.
How would you word it?


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GoldMember



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a really dumb thread. I certainly feel superior to the OP, and I'm not that bright!
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel Superior to just about everyone really. I don't feel that's a controversial statement given that most people are such helpless , lost , alienated idiots. I talk down to just about everyone , but am thrilled when I find someone that can keep up and hit back. It's not like I enjoy the feeling that everyone else is a unbearable douche.

Culture wise I feel while Korea has a lot to learn from the western individualism , we have lost a lot of the innocence that they still have etc. We could both learn from each other.

I do feel Koreans feel deeply inferior to westerners. That's clearly obvious to me.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bovinerebel wrote:
I do feel Koreans feel deeply inferior to westerners. That's clearly obvious to me.


Why do you say that?
That's never been obvious to me.
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teachteach



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually quite interesting. I would have to go with inferior because they have a lot more advantages than us.
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'No one can make you feel inferior without your consent'. as Eleanor Roosevelt said.

I don't feel superior to Koreans though I do believe that some Koreans may consciously or subconsciously feel inferior to and insecure in front of Westerners and this is displayed in various xenophobic displays such as attempted oneupmanship - for example, whenever I go to the gym or batting cage, there's often at least one guy trying to 'out do' me in one way or another.

I had a Korean once say, "I hate how Westerners feel they are above Koreans and that while it's natural to feel above others like we feel above SE Asians, we hate it when Westerners do this." Needless to say I didn't agree at all with the principle and vibe of the comment, but it was no doubt an honest comment from their perspective and I have no doubt that some Koreans perceive all Westerners think they are 'above' them and I'm sure some Westerners probably do.

I try to treat everyone as an equal and think I do for the most part. Sometimes I think things are done here in an inferior way compared to back home (then again there are just as many things done better), but I don't think of Koreans as inferior.
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
bovinerebel wrote:
I do feel Koreans feel deeply inferior to westerners. That's clearly obvious to me.


Why do you say that?
That's never been obvious to me.



You don't need to be Freud to notice that all the acting out by Koreans against westerners is based on insecurity. The fact that they copy , emulate and even put english everywhere to give a thing "credibility" shows their desire to be more like the west. The fact that they have a taboo against their women being with white men shows a inherent fear that unlimately we're more desirable (else why the taboo?). The interactions with Koreans on the whole is much like dealing with a puppy begging for approval , or the polar reaction to that which is posturing and passive aggresive. Much like how western women deal with their feelings of inferiority to men...they either pander to our desires or posture up to us.

It's perfectly obvious really. If you wanted a politically correct statement should should have specified. I thought you were interested in the truth.

Also koreans actually admit it when they say things like "Westerners (well they say "americans" , but we know what they mean : white people) always feel they are better than us." ....just like some femnists , ethnic groups etc make these kinds of statements ...this is mainly an assumption people are making that projects their view of the world onto us.

What that exposes is that it's really their belief that we're better and therefore clearly we must also hold that position. Because I think you'll find far less of this rhetoric promoted by our cultures than you find in Korea. In fact we promote the idea that all people are equal more so what anyone else. But we don't really believe it ....hence our perception that's it's our role to help the rest of the world out. That's the thing about western liberlism...while it promotes the idea of equality it perpetuates the idea that other groups somehow need our protection and should emulate our values.


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bovinerebel



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also suggest that most Koreans feel unapologetically superior to other Asians or Africans (well...except the Japanese who they wildly envy). So they are hardly victims.
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bovinerebel



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachteach wrote:
Actually quite interesting. I would have to go with inferior because they have a lot more advantages than us.


Really ? Such as ? Why don't you ask that to the kid being forced to study from 7am - 9:30 pm. Or the salary man who never has time to see his family ? Or the women earning less pay for the same work and being socialised to act like they have no brains ? Korea values content more than context without ever questioning it. That leads to very sad, alienated lives and brutual systems that perpetuate themselves without reward. I've never met an unhappier people than koreans. That's not a critique...that's a statement of pity.
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