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[mindmetoo]

PBRstreetgang21 makes excellent points and Troll_Bait adds good perspective. The current DL can't be blamed for the Tibet's past. If he was never ripped from power, it's entirely likely he would have continued as read. However, one might believe returning Tibet to Tibet might not mean returning Tibet to the old ways. I would sure hope the current DL in the last 40 years has learned something or another about what freedom means.

[PBRstreetgang21]

Troll Bait, I aknowledged in my post I felt that the Dalai Lama has the best intentions. You know the kind the freeway to hell is littered with?

I am not saying that the Dalai Lama wouldnt have changed that system, you are right he was a child when he came into power. But let me ask you a question? Do you think that had Tibet not been invaded by China, and the Dalai Lama been allowed to grow into adulthood as the leader of tibet, that he would have transformed it into a nice liberal democracy, free of slavery and torture? Its easy for him to say what happened then was bad and he "would have" changed it, because he lives in a democracy now. He has spent many decades involved with the west, so OF COURSE he is going to say that. Im not doubting his sincerity either. What I am saying is, had he not been forced to live in a democratic environment I highly doubt he would have conclued these things on his own. Especially in an enviornment completely hostile to it.

If he really thinks that what happened when Tibet was independent was bad, then he needs to aknowledge the real reason--- RELIGION. If he really thinks what happened then needed to be changed, then he should aknowledge the obvious "I am not a reincarnation of a fictitious person and the lamas here are no different than me". It was the Lama system and organized religion that was responsible for the atrocities in Tibet prior to those of the Chinese. I dont think he sees it that way. If he did he would not be arguing for the kind of autonomy he is arguing for.

Lets say China does grant them that autonomy, then what? Free elections, a president and a nice little human rights enclave to be the envy of the Chinese world? No. If the Dalai Lama had his way It would return to a theocratic state, governed by old virgin men, intent on inflicting the anguish of their own unfullfilled desires upon others. Thats what happens when religion runs the show.

Why is it when we point to Iran people in the west clamour to tout the evils of theocracy while, when a Buddhist does it celebrities dole out checks like autographs?

People are entraced by the "idea of sainthood" and put blinders on. Like with that douchebag Mother Teresa.

[squexx]

Isn't the Doily Lama the spiritual leader of those people who make those things you put under cups or something?!?

[mindmetoo]

[itaewonguy]

[PBRstreetgang21]

Well why should I take my swastika down, after all I am a Buddhist
(which you would know if you had read my original post)

Ill repress the offense I feel at being thrown in with one of the most twisted and evil ideologies of the 20th century and one of the worst in the world history, despite the fact that my sister and a stepmother are Jewish, and rather than use more choice language simply point out that fallacy of your old hat argument.

The fact is Stalin and Hitler and Mao and a great many other athiest leaders have commited some of the worst attrocities know to man. But so has religion. I dont have a beef with religion (I have one) I have a beef with anyone who wants their religion in the government. And lets be clear, Stalin and Hitler and Mao, they created their own religions at which they were the center and at which they were worshipped. They were athiests but their subjects where (in practice) not.

If you are a religious person I dont hold you accountable for the crimes of your particular denomination. However, I do hold the denomination accountable for the crimes it has commited. Jefferson and Lincoln were both men who rejected organized religion, and yet I doubt anyone would mistake them for a Stalin or a Mao.

There are good people and there are bad people in the world. Some are religious and some are not. If history has taught us anything it is that religion hasnt kept people from being bad. Name me one good thing a religious person can say or do that an athiest can't say or do. You can't. But I bet before you can type your first keystroke you can find a great many evil things a religious person could commit that an Athiest would not.
I think the physicist Steven Weinberg said it best "without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"

People are people and Im not against individual belief but when the belief interferes with public life it has ALWAYS turned into terror for the masses. I cant think of the theocracy out there that has never denegrated itself to tyranny and abysmality. The best system of government we have is Liberal Democracy, a system-- without any God or religion at the center.

So while we are on the subject of countries that have no God, lets hear it for another country which specifically says there will be NO GOD in its government--- the US.

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[Stormy]

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[Pete82]

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[itaewonguy]

[Quack Addict]

What did the Daila Lama say at the hot dog stand? Make me one with everything.

[Khenan]

He's a pimp. It kind of creeps me out how they find him every time he dies... I'd love to see the committee figure out who the new Dalai is.

[Khenan]