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KTU stoking beef protests over teacher regulations?
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: KTU stoking beef protests over teacher regulations? Reply with quote

It's been said that the Korean Teachers Union has been encouraging young people to attend the beef protests.

How much of the anti-beef sentiment is actually anti-LMB's policy of wanting to have everything taught in English?
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you are correct that the Korean Teachers' Union (KTU) has orchestrated these protest by shamelessly using their young impressionable students as pawns to further their political agenda.

However, I believe that it has little to do with English education. Those plans to have everything taught in English were dropped almost as soon as they were suggested, long before the current trouble began.

Shortly before this whole beef brouhaha started up (aroung May 15th), the KTU was told by the newly-elected Lee Myungbak administration that it could no longer teach its pro-North Korean, anti-American propaganda in class. I think that this is what they are seeking veangeance for.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_24277.html
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indytrucks



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: KTU stoking beef protests over teacher regulations? Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
How much of the anti-beef sentiment is actually anti-LMB's policy of wanting to have everything taught in English?


If I had to take a wild guess, and estimate in terms of percentage, I'd say ...

0%.
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This article is better than the one I posted previously.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=050000&biid=2008042815428



(Hat Tip to this post at the DPRK Studies blog)



P.S. I was incorrect about the mid-May date. It was more like the end of April.
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked through some archives and come up with a timeline that confirms for me that the KTU has indeed orchestrated this in retaliation for educational reforms like teacher evaluations.

* April 28: the Lee Myung-bak administration announces that school textbooks will be revamped so that they glorify North Korea less

* April 29: TV show "PD Notebook" airs mad-cow program. Shortly thereafter, netizens denounce the opening up of Korea's beef market.

* May 2: madly unscientific rumours begin to gain momentum in the Internet

* May 3: the first anti-American beef protests

It's been well documented that a good number of the participants at these early rallies were schoolchildren and the teachers, KTU members, who encouraged them to go.

http://koreabeat.com/?p=994

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Half of them were students in their middle and high school uniforms.


When the government caught them red-handed using schoolchildren as political pawns, they had the gall to be defiant.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_23978.html

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``We will not teach political ideas to students. If the government forces us to do so, we will seek ways to make our own textbooks and teach them the other side of the beef deal,'' KTU head Chung Jin-hwa said.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/05/117_23813.html

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However, the Korean Teachers and Education Workers Union (KTU) criticized the government for telling teachers to discourage students from going to the streets, without verifying the safety of American beef.


These people are the scum of the sewers. It takes an utterly shameless, amoral coward to brainwash society's youngest and most vulnerable members into pawns to further one's political agenda. May they rot in hell.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troll_Bait wrote:


These people are the scum of the sewers. It takes an utterly shameless, amoral coward to brainwash society's youngest and most vulnerable members into pawns to further one's political agenda. May they rot in hell.


I had a class this morning with an exec whose office is in Gwanghwamun. We were both 10 minutes late due to the still-ongoing protest and clean up in the area.

We get along well discussing issues, and he seems very well-informed. He wanted to talk about the protests. When I brought up the report I had heard about teachers suggesting to/pressuring their students to attend these demonstrations, he was a little pissed off. But not at me.

He said teachers who do that should be shit-canned. He supports the FTA and thinks the gov't has the right policy, but that 2MB is a crappy politician.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I got in trouble at school when I wrote an article for the KT in which I was critical of the KTU for two lines. They took exception to my writing that teachers were coercing students to attend the rallies with misinformation, and also when I wrote that the KTU was notoriously anti-American.

You can check out a little of what the KTU has been up to:
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/06/those-who-cant-do-teach-those-who-cant.html

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/05/perhaps-korean-teachers-union-doesnt.html

This cartoon kills me every time . . . it ran in the union's newspaper: http://news.eduhope.net/data/media-50/photo/15/9871/크기변환_02_그림판.jpg
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My students have been totally uninterested in talking about the beef issue.

They're sick of hearing about it.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How much of the anti-beef sentiment is actually anti-LMB's policy of wanting to have everything taught in English?


I doubt more than a couple of percentage points on that specific issue which wasn't going to fly anyway. I think the idea of teaching everything in English was one of the early signs that alerted people that maybe LMB wasn't what they had in mind when they voted the UDP out of power.

That is not to say that the KTU hasn't played a big role in this fiasco. They have. I don't think their opposition is necessarily any one issue. They are 'progressives' (read 'pro-North super-patriots') who seem sad that Kim Il-Sung didn't win the war. I think their idea of democracy is getting to vote which rich people get sent to the gulags next.
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Frankly Mr Shankly



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