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| Do you generally feel superior or inferior to Koreans? |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Yaya wrote: |
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| Les comparaisons sont odieux. |
some of them are funny though.
let's take the Brits for e.g. (and I actually quite like many Brits)
apart from the horrid dental work/care, they wear black/brown socks with their athletic shorts on their horridly pallid pink and very skinny (unmuscular) legs.
when you see that, can't help but compare.
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There's also their lack of hygiene, as in taking a shower once a week or so. |
Man you're a plank. The 1950's was a very long tme ago.
Most Brits have superior, more sophisticated and original fashion sense to most Americans, decent teeth and are usually in better shape than you big overblown, overbloated porkers...! Also American girls I've dated say
I have much better personal hygeine and grooming than American guys and I really only make the minimal efforts such as showering twice a day, brushing my teeth 2 or 3 times a day and wearing a subtle deodorant or cologne when I go out for a big night out.
Only kidding 
Hmmmm....... |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| bogey666 wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| Les comparaisons sont odieux. |
some of them are funny though.
let's take the Brits for e.g. (and I actually quite like many Brits)
apart from the horrid dental work/care, they wear black/brown socks with their athletic shorts on their horridly pallid pink and very skinny (unmuscular) legs.
when you see that, can't help but compare.
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There's also their lack of hygiene, as in taking a shower once a week or so. |
Do you know what happens to an American girl's mimsy when she hears an English accent? It starts to weep with lust. The labia swell and tumesce amid a greasy mucus sauce of desire. Her brain is clouded with a single-minded need for satiation.
This does not happen when any woman in the world hears an American accent. In fact, upon hearing an American accent, and upon seeing the baseball cap and the fat neck and the knee-length 'short pants' and the dangling knuckles, most ladies' privates close in on themselves with outright and reasonable repulsion. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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It's a fact that the fundamentals of Western culture are objectively superior to anything else out there. It's Aristotelianism that led to a reliance on inductive reasoning, logic, science, and technology--and government's based on individual freedom. Any place that Western culture was implemented, whether it be the Arab countries during the Islamic Golden Age, or Western Europe during the Enlightenment, The US founding on Enlightenment ideals, or Japan and Korea after they rebuilt themselves based on constitutions and ideas borrowed from US culture, they are all beacons of prosperity compared to the primitive, tribalistic, and mystic cultures that preceded them.
Does that mean I'm superior to Koreans? No. Koreans are individual people, they aren't a collective mind. While I may be morally and intellectually superior to one Korean, I'm definitely not compared to another. The standard to evaluate each of us is our reliance on reason though--that is what remains objective--and what separates the West from the mysticism in the original Eastern cultures. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| I'm oblivious to the obvious. If O.P isn't going to die, doesn't have to pay taxes, and his s*it doesn't stink well, nevermind. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie_B wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| bogey666 wrote: |
| canuckistan wrote: |
| Les comparaisons sont odieux. |
some of them are funny though.
let's take the Brits for e.g. (and I actually quite like many Brits)
apart from the horrid dental work/care, they wear black/brown socks with their athletic shorts on their horridly pallid pink and very skinny (unmuscular) legs.
when you see that, can't help but compare.
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There's also their lack of hygiene, as in taking a shower once a week or so. |
Do you know what happens to an American girl's mimsy when she hears an English accent? It starts to weep with lust. The labia swell and tumesce amid a greasy mucus sauce of desire. Her brain is clouded with a single-minded need for satiation.
This does not happen when any woman in the world hears an American accent. In fact, upon hearing an American accent, and upon seeing the baseball cap and the fat neck and the knee-length 'short pants' and the dangling knuckles, most ladies' privates close in on themselves with outright and reasonable repulsion. |
this is generally true. (certainly for American female walruses (and not) getting weak kneed at the sound of a Brit accent.
The fact the opposite is not true doesn't bother me in the slightest. My last trip to London, I saw no attractive women on the streets, except for some girls who were not British. They were visiting FRENCH students.
but I have heard that Aussie chicks quite fancy the American boys and their accent.
anyone know more on this hypthesis?
(btw.. I don't wear baseball caps and khaki knee lenght shorts nor sandals. And my knuckles don't touch the ground, though unlike a Euro sissy, I can lift my than a pint glass with my hands. ergo never have had an ajosshi even give me a dirty look, much less yell at me
of course I say this as a Euro myself.. having been born on the Old Continent.
but I've chosen to leave some of their bad habits behind (as well as choosing not to incorporate some of the most stupid american ones, such as the ones you note) |
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Matilda
Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Location: Gimhae gal
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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but I have heard that Aussie chicks quite fancy the American boys and their accent.
anyone know more on this hypthesis?
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Haah! I grew up on the Gold Coast - African American guys were very popular indeed amongst us Aussie chicks  oooohweeee! |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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but I have heard that Aussie chicks quite fancy the American boys and their accent.
anyone know more on this hypthesis?
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Haah! I grew up on the Gold Coast - African American guys were very popular indeed amongst us Aussie chicks oooohweeee! |
I think that's due to a lot more than just their accents tho Matilda. 
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| Do you know what happens to an American girl's mimsy when she hears an English accent? |
Now that is an unsexy term for your girlie bits. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie_B wrote: |
Do you know what happens to an American girl's mimsy when she hears an English accent? It starts to weep with lust. The labia swell and tumesce amid a greasy mucus sauce of desire. Her brain is clouded with a single-minded need for satiation.
This does not happen when any woman in the world hears an American accent. In fact, upon hearing an American accent, and upon seeing the baseball cap and the fat neck and the knee-length 'short pants' and the dangling knuckles, most ladies' privates close in on themselves with outright and reasonable repulsion. |
How do you know all this? |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
| Stevie_B wrote: |
Do you know what happens to an American girl's mimsy when she hears an English accent? It starts to weep with lust. The labia swell and tumesce amid a greasy mucus sauce of desire. Her brain is clouded with a single-minded need for satiation.
This does not happen when any woman in the world hears an American accent. In fact, upon hearing an American accent, and upon seeing the baseball cap and the fat neck and the knee-length 'short pants' and the dangling knuckles, most ladies' privates close in on themselves with outright and reasonable repulsion. |
How do you know all this? |
Pavlovian experimentation / hands-on research. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Koreans who speak good English are not "rubbing it in" when they speak English to you. They are not acting superior, or putting you down for your worse Korean skills, they are simply speaking the language of best communication. |
I play the violin better than most violin students.
What do you think I should do the next time I attend a violin student recital and hear a student who is not as advanced as I am?
I think I should listen attentively, go up to the student after the recital, and congratulate that student on the efforts which he or she is making.
By the standards of the English language junkies, though, I should stamp onto the stage, grab the instrument and bow from the student, and play the rest of the composition myself.
I don't see how that is the least bit different from a Fergusonian grabbing a foreigner on the street, interrupting that foreigner in the middle of a sentence, and demanding that the foreigner speak English.
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| My Korean is far better than the English of most Koreans, even many who have studied for many years longer than me. With these people I speak Korean. But when a fluent Korean English speaker comes along I switch to English for practical reasons. |
That may be more practical in the short run.
If a baby is learning to walk, it may be easier in the short run to carry the baby everywhere you go and refuse to allow that baby to learn to walk.
Then the baby will never learn to walk.
Then you will have to carry that child everywhere you go when that child is 12 years old and weighs 90 pounds.
For the Fergusonians, though, the long range results are quite pleasant for them.
They love it when you have to ask them to go shopping with you.
They love it when you have to ask them to order food for you.
They love it when you have to ask them which restroom to walk into.
They want you weak and dependent for the rest of your life so they can play a superior role for the rest of THEIR lives.
That is nothing more than what Eric Berne calls the Alcoholic game.
Games like this are unhealthy, because they don't treat the feelings of tension which compel people to play such games.
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| You seem to have a double standard, Tomato, where you want all Koreans to speak Korean to you all the time, so you can improve your Korean, but when Koreans looking to improve their English do the same to you, you take it as a personal insult. |
How am I making a double standard?
It is the responsibility of the foreigner to learn the language of the host country.
By assuming that we are making no effort to learn the language, they are assuming that we are irresponsible.
Visitors to our culture get to learn English, why can't we get to learn other languages?
I was a Spanish teacher in my own country, but when I met a native speaker of Spanish who wanted to speak English, I didn't force him to speak Spanish.
I spend a whole work speaking English, and I think that's plenty.
I speak English in English class, and that is more than can be said for most Korean English teachers.
Doctors refuse to give medical advice to people who consult with them outside the clinic. Lawyers refuse to give legal advice to people who consult with them outside the office.
Why, then, are we on 24-hour call?
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| You don't have to practise Korean with everyone you meeet. It's okay to speak English sometimes, your Korean will not go backwards if you do. |
It might.
Look at the people around you who intended to learn Korean when they came here, but the Fergusonians--bless their hearts--made it too comfortable to speak English.
Now they're hanging out all the time with the Fergusonians and other foreigners.
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Do you feel generally superior or inferior to Koreans? |
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What if they've been working on their English for 20 years (very common) ? Is their struggle less valid than yours?
Are your attempts to speak Korean to such a person a "blanket rejection"? |
No, it's an assertion of my right to travel anywhere in the world I want and learn any language I want.
Koreans in my country can enjoy a foreign language experience everywhere they go.
Why don't we have the same right in their country?
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| I'm sure we get a lot more positive comments from Koreans on our ability in their language, then far better Korean English speakers get on their abilities in ours. |
What they really mean is "You speak Korean very well for a person of inferior intelligence."
One time I had a Korean compliment me with one of those routine 잘 하신데요's, and then turned to another Korean to ask what country I was from. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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My co teacher asked me yesterday as to what we study in English class if we already speak English. I said that where I come from we discuss novels and write essays and are forced to take on a critical role of our culture and to try and understand the diversity of ways of looking at the world. She was interested in how opposite that was to their system. According to her in Korea they studied about how unique and wonderful ,different and ultimately superior they were to other people. I asked her for an example and she turned to a page.
"Here it tells the students that Koreans have special unique emotions that only Koreans can't feel."
I called bullshit , but she laughed and called in some students from outside. She asked them what "han" was and they pulled a face in demonstration and said "Only Korean".
I'm interested to know what methods Koreans employ to know exactly how deep our emotional scope is, but I don't think those are the type of questions that are encouraged. I asked her for more examples and by the time I was walking home I was truly freaked out.
I discussed with a korean friend about this over the internet last night. She asked me to understand that Koreans had to be very competitive. It was their culture. They think they are brothers and sisters and fight together against outsiders.
I asked her to consider how she'd feel if I taught my children that white people were better than other races, and backed that up by pointed out all the things we had done compared to Koreans for the world, how she'd like that?
She told me "I really hate talking to you now".
Me "Should I start teaching my children that white people are brothers and sisters and better than koreans ?
Her : "All countries already do that anyway !"
Me : "No ! that is the total opposite of what we teach them !"
She didn't get it.
A few other things.
Apparently Koreans are smarter because they score better on some tests and better at using their hands because they can use chopsticks and spin pens. I'm not joking. So don't feel too sorry for them folks.
I tried to explain the nurture part of the nature versus nurture debate...but it fell on dead ears....Koreans define themselves as different on racial grounds...and use that basis to form arguments that they are suprior. This is racism in it's rawest form. They teach this to high school children. Welcome to nazism folks.
Oh well.... |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| this is generally true. (certainly for American female walruses (and not) getting weak kneed at the sound of a Brit accent. |
I think it depends what part of Britain. I just can't imagine an American girl getting excited over 'Say there my good lady, would you possibly mind if I were to ask you if perhaps you would, if I may be so bold, and with all intended courtesies and of course minding that I do possess only the warmest and most sincere and respectful intentions, fancy a smashing good pop in the sack this fine evening?'
Then again, who knows? |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
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| Koreans who speak good English are not "rubbing it in" when they speak English to you. They are not acting superior, or putting you down for your worse Korean skills, they are simply speaking the language of best communication. |
I play the violin better than most violin students.
What do you think I should do the next time I attend a violin student recital and hear a student who is not as advanced as I am?
I think I should listen attentively, go up to the student after the recital, and congratulate that student on the efforts which he or she is making.
By the standards of the English language junkies, though, I should stamp onto the stage, grab the instrument and bow from the student, and play the rest of the composition myself.
I don't see how that is the least bit different from a Fergusonian grabbing a foreigner on the street, interrupting that foreigner in the middle of a sentence, and demanding that the foreigner speak English.
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This is a terrible analogy. The whole point of speaking is to communicate with someone. Everybody in their right mind is going to try to make the communication as easy as possible. If you want somebody to listen to your Korean, no matter how painful it is, pay somebody to speak Korean to you.
On the other hand, if somebody is insisting on speaking English with you when your Korean is far superior to their English, then I can sympathize with you. |
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
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| this is generally true. (certainly for American female walruses (and not) getting weak kneed at the sound of a Brit accent. |
I think it depends what part of Britain. I just can't imagine an American girl getting excited over 'Say there my good lady, would you possibly mind if I were to ask you if perhaps you would, if I may be so bold, and with all intended courtesies and of course minding that I do possess only the warmest and most sincere and respectful intentions, fancy a smashing good pop in the sack this fine evening?'
Then again, who knows? |
What part of Britain is that accent from? Eighteen-seventies-shire? |
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