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Is it any wonder that Koreans are so poor at English...
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Is it any wonder that Koreans are so poor at English... Reply with quote

...when you look at the conditions and working environments in this country. Its absolutely foul and appalling what people have to go through. Its an altogether collective disgrace the way some people have been treated in Korea judging from the majority of these posts. It�s almost unbelievable.

I think in my time posting on here plus working here I have come across some of the most absurd situations I have ever heard of in a work environment, including:

Not getting paid your salary
Getting paid laid
Constantly harassed over sick days and being ill
Withholding documents such as passports
Being abused constantly by co-teachers and having the education offices do nothing about it
Constantly asked to do things outside of your contract
Cleaning phaeces outside of your classroom
Not being invited in trips and school outings
Being asked to purchase materials to teach from
Working with 'English' teachers that cannot, er hmm, speak English, ditto with supervisors
Being told in numerous ways that you have to accept &*%$ from your colleagues because this is a different country and you do not understand the culture
Being housed in sub-standard accommodation


It is a never ending list and I could go on.

I am sure that if a lot of these unfortunate individuals were treated better then the overall standard of English would increase because from what I can see the morale and confidence of a lot of natives has been shot to pieces by some of the behaviour (like the above) and by working alongside many ignorant racist people we are paired with. How people are supposed to work well and get good results in these kind of environments i'll never know. It's like many of these people have no kind of moral or ethical upbringing whatsoever, not when it comes down to working with non-Korean people anyway because you can bet if native Koreans received the same kind of treatment as frequently as us all hell would errupt.

In the end it is Korea that loses though. Its the kids that suffer because they are caught in the middle of all of this and will never recover the lost years of English education because their native teacher was being treated so badly that they could give a *&^% about their jobs or their kids.

And before people respond with 'yeah but in the US blah blah blah', please remember that this isn't a thread or forum about the United States but about Korea.

All I intend to say is that they will never learn English until their attitude and approach changes and they learn how to respect people who are different.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey getting paid laid is just part of the Drinking Culture at the massage places
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branchsnapper



Joined: 21 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many of these phaeces have the swines forced you to pick up and take to the baphroom?
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to do it at the end of every day......

No, not really but if they could make me do it you could bet I would be doing it every day.

branchsnapper wrote:
How many of these phaeces have the swines forced you to pick up and take to the baphroom?
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I 'hate' to say it but my numerous rants have now been more than confirmed. Korean co-teachers honestly feel we are their slaves.

My current co-teacher is still in shock that I won't kiss a�$. It seems all of her previous native colleagues were willing slaves.

It's true native teachers are not treated respectfully by their Korean colleagues or by some of their co-teachers.

Some Koreans have awful manners, and I am glad my very existence upsets them at work. They are useless.
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it's full of stars



Joined: 26 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shut up. Baaah!
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who else wants to take a run at it swinging a broadaxe? Valhalla!
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder ifc this is what it means to be treated like a minority? Laughing
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nobbyken



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Is it any wonder that Koreans are so poor at English... Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:

Getting paid laid
= prostitution in my dictionary Shocked
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have an unreasonable co-teacher, look at two things before going ballistic:

1. Are you older or younger
2. Do you have the same academic qualifications

If they trump you on 1 AND 2, you are out of luck. They're probably acting like arses in your eyes because you aren't providing the acceptable level of deference.

You may choose to look at it the other way: they invited you here to teach your language and your culture, so why can't they treat you like you were in your country. But we know that that's not how the human animal works.

So deal with it. Go the 'When in Rome' route, or stick to your guns and go the ethnocentric route. Your call. And, oh yeah, sometimes an ahole is an ahole, and all the culturespeak in the world can't explain it away. Part of living overseas and part of growing older is learning how to differentiate.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
2. Do you have the same academic qualifications

If they trump you on 1 AND 2, you are out of luck. They're probably acting like arses in your eyes because you aren't providing the acceptable level of deference.


My academic qualifications are an A.B. from a university in the United States. Theirs is from one of these jokes that Korea calls universities. And they know full well that an American university education is light years above the caliber of theirs.


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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
If you have an unreasonable co-teacher, look at two things before going ballistic:

1. Are you older or younger
2. Do you have the same academic qualifications

If they trump you on 1 AND 2, you are out of luck. They're probably acting like arses in your eyes because you aren't providing the acceptable level of deference.

You may choose to look at it the other way: they invited you here to teach your language and your culture, so why can't they treat you like you were in your country. But we know that that's not how the human animal works.

So deal with it. Go the 'When in Rome' route, or stick to your guns and go the ethnocentric route. Your call. And, oh yeah, sometimes an ahole is an ahole, and all the culturespeak in the world can't explain it away. Part of living overseas and part of growing older is learning how to differentiate.


That's pretty deep, man.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your degree in education?
Are you older or younger than your co-teacher?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Is your degree in education?


No, it's in Linguistics.

Quote:
Are you older or younger than your co-teacher?


Older. And that's yet another reason why so many institutions in this country are a joke: demand for deference from others and reward for something completely irrelevant to the task at hand.

By the way, my association with Korea began when I first lived here in 1977. I'm more than slightly familiar with this society.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it any wonder that Koreans are so poor at English... Reply with quote

hahaha okay i had something else on my mind at the time Laughing

nobbyken wrote:
stevieg4ever wrote:

Getting paid laid
= prostitution in my dictionary Shocked
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