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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Paul to hold rival convention |
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If he is going to do this, he should have run as the Libertarian candidate or an independent. Anyway, hopefully it will some effect.
Paul to hold rival event during GOP convention
By KELLEY SHANNON, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jun 10, 5:55 PM ET
AUSTIN, Texas - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is planning a daylong rally in Minnesota during the Republican National Convention that could draw attention from the presumed nominee John McCain.
The Texas congressman with a devoted following has tentatively reserved the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Sept. 2, the second day of the GOP convention.
"We plan on having a large rally," said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. "We want it to be a celebration of Republican values and what the Republican Party has traditionally stood for."
Benton also said Paul wants to send a message to the GOP "that we need to return to our roots" of limited government and personal responsibility.
The Republican Party will be gathering at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul for its four-day event that will end with McCain accepting his party's nomination.
University of Minnesota spokesman Dan Wolter confirmed in an e-mail that the Paul campaign has a hold on Williams Arena in Minneapolis, Minn.
Supporters of Paul have been pushing for him to have a speaking role at the Republican convention. In the latest Associated Press tally, Paul had 24 delegates.
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review first reported on its Web site about the Paul event. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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To be fair, Ron Paul's delegate total is diminished by losses in winner-take-all states.
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- Alaska. Paul hoped to win a symbolic victory here, but he came in 3rd with 17 percent of the vote. Good enough for 5 delegates out of 26.
- Arizona. A poor 4 percent and no delegates. (McCain got all 50.)
- Colorado. Fourth place and 8 percent of the vote, but no delegates.
- Minnesota. Paul rounded out the top four with a not-bad 16 percent of the vote. But it was a winner-take-all race and Mitt Romney got all 38 delegates.
- Montana. Second with 25 percent of the caucus votes, but in a winner-take-all state he walked away with no delegates.
- North Dakota. Third place with 21 percent of the vote, good for 5 delegates out of 23. |
I think the Ron Paul campaign was money-strong but organizationally weak. It was fond of visual ads (a blimp?) and good on the net, but worthless in terms of canvassing and phone-banking. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I can't find the official numbers but from what I did see, RP raised over $34 million and has about $8 million left over.
Hmmm... 34-8 = 26
He has 24 delegates, so that works out to be $1 million per delegate. They'd be a bargain at twice the price. He shouldn't be such a tightwad. I think his family members deserve a raise for their hard work. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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RP would have more delegates if it weren't for the documented voting irregularities. |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.
Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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JustJohn wrote: |
He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.
Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul! |
If by understanding the economy you mean advocating neutering and straight-jacketing the Fed, then I guess you're right. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but I think he's an underwhelming candidate on the other 99 major issues. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
JustJohn wrote: |
He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.
Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul! |
If by understanding the economy you mean advocating neutering and straight-jacketing the Fed, then I guess you're right. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but I think he's an underwhelming candidate on the other 99 major issues. |
Just abolishing the Fed would have a great salutary effect, beginning with saving billions of dollars in interest on the money it lends the government to operate. |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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What casper said is significant of course, but what I was talking about is this:
The feds are trying to implement all these stopgaps to skirt the recession but if you look at where we're at with all the stuff that's happened recently it should be pretty obvious that none of their efforts are going to smooth things over.
By prolonging the whole thing their just going to make the fall that much harder. If you ask me they've already turned what would be a minor recession into a significant one, and if they're allowed to keep stringing things along it will be a major recession at best, possibly a depression once it finally happens.
I happen to want to go back and have a career in the states right now, so you'll just have to forgive my selfishness. As long as his other policies aren't that bad (and they aren't, in my opinion) then I'm probably going to vote with my wallet. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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JustJohn wrote: |
By prolonging the whole thing their just going to make the fall that much harder. If you ask me they've already turned what would be a minor recession into a significant one, and if they're allowed to keep stringing things along it will be a major recession at best, possibly a depression once it finally happens.
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First of all, are you really comfortable describing this long-in-coming mortgage crisis as a 'minor recession?'
Secondly, it will probably be a significant recession, and probably would have been at least significant recession anyway, but I doubt the monetary policy of the Fed alone will make it a full-on stagflationful depression. Here's why. |
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hossenfeffer

Joined: 07 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul's run for presidency is proof that the government media complex is Stalinist in its reporting. By Stalinist I mean, if you pose a threat to the establishment, you are completely ignored.
I watched every Republican debate (and Democratic) and Ron Paul was the only person who actually articulated his platform. As I remember, many of the polls taken after the debates indicated that Dr. Paul, in fact, won the debates. The Stalinist reporters working for the alphabet mafia (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.) chose to ignore him. (Incidentally, Ron Paul was the only presidential candidate (on either side) who isn't a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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By Stalinist I mean, if you pose a threat to the establishment, you are completely ignored.
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You have a very peculiar view of how Stalin reacted to people he considered a threat. |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Differences between minor and significant are all in the eye of the beholder. Any recession big enough to be labeled a recession is significant really. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words in that respect. Anyway, interesting thing from Krugman. Certainly didn't make me any more optimistic though. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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So I'm wondering. What is Ron Paul's plan come Convention time? |
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hossenfeffer

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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy--
Allow me to clarify. I wasn't talking about how Stalin dealt with opposition. Historians have done a sufficient job of recording the brutality of "Uncle Joe". The point that I was trying to make was that during Stalin's reign, the media would not print anything that was contrary to the agenda of the Party. In my opinion, this is how things are done in the U.S. today. Ron Paul isn't, after all, a member of the Bilderberg Group. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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I hope he does have a rival event during the GOP Convention. |
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