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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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My wife says that parents still give a white envelope to the teacher every semester, even though it's technically not supposed to happen.
Used to be a requirement. |
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| There are also bonuses for things like being a homeroom teacher, and you get a pay supplement depending on how many kids you are raising. |
There are also the bonuses of being a homeroom teacher like tons of homework to correct, late hours, required overnight trips, special activities they get put in charge of by the principal...
Yeah, I'll take my Saturdays off and going home at 4pm (or before) every day. I can buy my own flashdrive, thanks. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Education at a Glance 2007
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/36/5/39290975.pdf
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| Salaries of teachers with at least 15 years of experience at the lower secondary level range from less than USD 16,000 in Hungary to USD 51,000 or more in Germany, Korea and Switzerland, and exceed USD 88,000 in Luxembourg. |
Annual teacher salaries, public schools (with minimum training)
(Expressed in equivalent US$ converted using purchasing power parities.)
Starting Salary: 25,177 ... After 15 years: 42,845 ... Top of Scale: 68,581
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
Country Note: Korea (April 2004)
John Coolahan, Paulo Santiago, Rowena Phair and Akira Ninomiya
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Directorate for Education, Education and Training Policy Division
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf
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Teachers in Korea have guaranteed tenure until they reach the mandatory retirement age....
Teachers' salaries comprise base salary and a great number of allowances. There is a single salary scale for elementary, middle and high school teachers. Starting salaries are determined by level of qualifications and progression is based on years of experience. There are 40 steps in the salary scale.
Allowances are paid for particular responsibilities, such as department head, teaching students with special needs, serving in in-service training institutions and to meet costs incurred by teachers. The types of costs included are for books used by the teachers and tuition fees for the teachers' own children.
Allowances are also offered for teaching in a remote area and for family support. The allowances vary in size, depending on the particular type and purpose. Principals and vice-principals also receive allowances to recognise their particular responsibilities, in addition to their higher base salaries.... |
from page 27
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers - Home Page
http://www.oecd.org/document/9/0,3343,en_33873108_33873555_11969545_1_1_1_1,00.html
Teacher Labor Markets in Developed Countries
The Future of Children
http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2850/information_show.htm?doc_id=470797
image link: http://www.futureofchildren.org/doc_img/470797.gif
More Education Means More Pay
By Kim Sung-jin, Korea Times (December 12, 2005)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2773192
(the above link may not lead to the correct page)
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| The monthly pay of workers with bachelor's degrees averaged at 3 million won during the nine months to September, while that of workers with the same length of service but with only high school diploma stood at 2.06 million won.... Those with a master's degree or doctorate earned 4 million won a month on average. |
Children to Bear the Brunt if Parents Bribe Teachers
Chosun Ilbo (October 22, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200710/200710220024.html
Giving Gifts for Teachers Day
Japundit, Polishing the apple (May 15, 2005)
http://japundit.com/archives/2005/05/15/polishing-the-apple
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| May 15 is Teacher's Day in South Korea, and to honor their teachers, students will be bring them flowers, write compositions in appreciation of them, and even participate in sports competitions with them. Parents also often give gifts or gratuities to the teacher. According to an article in the Nishinippon Shimbun, surveys indicate that parents spend a minimum of 100,000 won on these gifts (roughly US$100.00).... |
Bribery for Promotions Is Alive and Well
Chosun Ilbo (November 29, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200711/200711290025.html |
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MA_TESOL
Joined: 11 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: New 4GB flash drives for everyone..... |
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.....except the foreign teachers! So, does this happen a lot at your school? Where the Korean teachers get some new goodies but the foreigners are always left out? All of the Korean teachers just got a new 4GB flash drive, but none for me and the other foreign teacher at my school. It just seems like another way to discriminate. I guess I should be used to it by now.  |
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MA_TESOL
Joined: 11 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: New 4GB flash drives for everyone..... |
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| spliff wrote: |
| Bouvguy wrote: |
| .....except the foreign teachers! So, does this happen a lot at your school? Where the Korean teachers get some new goodies but the foreigners are always left out? All of the Korean teachers just got a new 4GB flash drive, but none for me and the other foreign teacher at my school. It just seems like another way to discriminate. I guess I should be used to it by now. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Mike77 wrote: |
I heard other people talking about how the other Korean teachers make way less, thus often leading to hostility to the foreign teachers. |
Hagown teachers (minus the TOEIC/TOEFL crowd) make less than we do for even worse crap condidtions than we put up with. It is the PS teachers that make more, significantly more. because they are eligible for annual raises and a couple bonuses (boni?) every year that we never see. |
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Mike77
Joined: 08 Jun 2008
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| are they a lot more qualified than the foreigners? e.g more schooling, etc? |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: Re: New 4GB flash drives for everyone..... |
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| Bouvguy wrote: |
| .....except the foreign teachers! So, does this happen a lot at your school? Where the Korean teachers get some new goodies but the foreigners are always left out? All of the Korean teachers just got a new 4GB flash drive, but none for me and the other foreign teacher at my school. It just seems like another way to discriminate. I guess I should be used to it by now. |
It's exclusion. It happens. Justifying it among ourselves buys into the delusion that it somehow manages to continue as frequently as it does without any maligning involved.
Ask around your office regarding why this giveaway happened and all foreigner staff weren't included. Yes, ask. See what kind of answer you get. If you don't inquire, then you're only complaining about it and have no homework to show us. |
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Bouvguy
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: South Korea
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Hey agoodmouse, I did ask and the answer I got was that the Korean teachers had some material to prepare for class, so they all got a flash drive. I said I had material to prepare for class too, then my co-teacher just walked away.  |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Mike77 wrote: |
| are they a lot more qualified than the foreigners? e.g more schooling, etc? |
Who, the public school teachers, or hagwon teachers?
Public school teachers, just like teachers back home, went to school to become teachers. So, yes they are more qualified than most foreigners, except for the foreign teachers which are also certified teachers.
Hagwon teachers can be anyone. Some Korean hagwon teachers, just like some foreign teachers only qualification is that they speak English, however, I would use the phrase 'speak English' lightly in plenty of circumstances. On the other hand, there are also highly qualified Korean hagwon teachers, just like foreign teachers.
In public schools, if the teachers has been teaching for at least 5 years (so probably 28 years old) they are making more than foreign teachers in most circumstances. Teachers in their 40's are making much more. The head teacher in each grade will make around 5 million a month if they have been doing all the little courses they have to do to make points.
In hagwons, most of the time they will make less than foreign teachers. But, IMO this is the quality they are paying for. The teachers that are really good, and actually speak English well, are probably making decent money.
In both circumstances, they are probably working more than the foreign teachers.
***Also, it was because of your first point in this thread that I made my comment on your post in your other thread*** |
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Mike77
Joined: 08 Jun 2008
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Ah, good response. So i guess it was the hagwons that i was originally referring to.
Your first posts makes sense, but try and chill on the hostility... I'm a canadian and am naturally friendly and laid back  ... Let me guess, you're from Quebec ?  just kidding.
Thanks for the info man!
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| are they a lot more qualified than the foreigners? e.g more schooling, etc? |
Who, the public school teachers, or hagwon teachers?
Public school teachers, just like teachers back home, went to school to become teachers. So, yes they are more qualified than most foreigners, except for the foreign teachers which are also certified teachers.
Hagwon teachers can be anyone. Some Korean hagwon teachers, just like some foreign teachers only qualification is that they speak English, however, I would use the phrase 'speak English' lightly in plenty of circumstances. On the other hand, there are also highly qualified Korean hagwon teachers, just like foreign teachers.
In public schools, if the teachers has been teaching for at least 5 years (so probably 28 years old) they are making more than foreign teachers in most circumstances. Teachers in their 40's are making much more. The head teacher in each grade will make around 5 million a month if they have been doing all the little courses they have to do to make points.
In hagwons, most of the time they will make less than foreign teachers. But, IMO this is the quality they are paying for. The teachers that are really good, and actually speak English well, are probably making decent money.
In both circumstances, they are probably working more than the foreign teachers.
***Also, it was because of your first point in this thread that I made my comment on your post in your other thread*** |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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I think I would side with any Korean teacher at our school in NZ. If teachers get something, then all support staff get it, too. I made this complaint once before in a ship building yard for the 'bogger crew' who didn't get a Xmas pressie when the boss handed them out to the regular, non sub-contract staff. That was NZ. I felt it was discriminatory, since we were all sharing the same kegs at the Xmas party.
Saying that, there were many staff who were against me. Not the bogger crew, but the regular fellahs. They gave me the evils after that.
Many school teachers in NZ would be exactly the same. They wouldn't give a rat's arse. That's why I am here, and they there. That's why I earn more than a principal of a public NZ school, year on year, good x-rates or bad. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey agoodmouse, I did ask and the answer I got was that the Korean teachers had some material to prepare for class, so they all got a flash drive. I said I had material to prepare for class too, then my co-teacher just walked away. |
I wouldn't be surprised if the flash drives all the teachers have were provided by the school. They expected me to bring a laptop from home and use it for work too. I said no, or rather, looked confused and kept repeating them until they gave up and gave me a laptop off the scrapheap. It was not a deliberate strategy, I was genuinely shocked. I've never owned a laptop in my life and have no desire to buy one, for work or any other reason! Of course all the Korean teachers have laptops the school bought them.
My coteacher continues to insist I am a real teacher and responsible for 90% of what goes on in class. |
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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Last year a bunch of teachers got a usb thumb drive from the school. I didn't whine luckily because it was only the teachers who were leaving.
I did get pissed off at the no foreigners can play in the volleyball tournament. I won't be going to waste my afternoon/evening watching next time!
At my current school I have the same spec computer as the other jondam teachers. Some teachers still have older computers with big ass monitors. At my old school the computers in the computer room got upgraded and I got one that was going to be recycled, nice huh? Still it was a step up from the pentium 3 windows 98 machine I had to use for a few days, it'd reboot every 5 minutes!!
I'm in charge of 100% of my classes. The Korean teachers assist me. They teach on their own when I'm "co-teaching" with the others. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Their pay scale keeps going up, that's why I think there are varied reports. We can't really say a standard salary. The newbie 22 year old teacher pulls in 2 mil, the 55 year old will pull in considerably more.
There are also bonuses for things like being a homeroom teacher, and you get a pay supplement depending on how many kids you are raising. |
I'm guessing they don't get anything else on top of this though, right? as in no accommodation, airfare, etc.? |
I'm guessing no one would fly over here on their own coin just to work here. |
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