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MollyBloom

Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

Scarlet13 wrote:

nolegirl wrote:

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moreover.... what is the most heavily sprayed crop in the world? cotton. i wouldnt want a wad of gm'd cotton in my secret garden if i was a girl either.

You have to be shittin me. Oh no ladies, don't use tampons the cotton has pesticides. Lets all empty our blood in a cup instead.

Somethings gonna kill me one day and it sure as hell ain't gonna be no poison tampon. I am going to die while having sex with my hot latin lover or basejumping of a side of a cliff, either/or. I like the adrenalin rush of both, or maybe I could do both at the same time.... nah, sounds complicated.

Damn hippie, go take a shower and eat an organic zuchinni or whatever hippies do. I am sure you do have a secret garden, I bet its a damn forrest down there, hippie!!!!!!

Actually, Toxic Shock Syndrome is a very really concern. The tampons increase the risk of TSS by making tiny little tears in the vaginal walls, which allow the potentially fatal infection to enter the body.

You know, you bring up a good point that leads to statistics; I wonder how many tampon users get TSS...it's really scary to think that we use them all the time and one little feisty rip of the wrist could yank out the plug that kills us. But again...I need to find stats.

EDIT: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070521140852.htm

It says only 3 in 100,000 will get it annually. Not too bad, but still bad in a way.

Last edited by MollyBloom on Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:17 pm; edited 1 time in total

sistersarah

Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Location: hiding out

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject:

MollyBloom wrote:

Scarlet13 wrote:

nolegirl wrote:

Quote:

moreover.... what is the most heavily sprayed crop in the world? cotton. i wouldnt want a wad of gm'd cotton in my secret garden if i was a girl either.

I'd be interested to see stats too. After reading that warning for so many years on tampon instructions and not hearing of anyone getting it, I'm really curious to see the risks.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject:

dasmith2 wrote:

Scarlet13 wrote:

Use plain yogurt.

I'm intrigued by that Luna cup, has anyone used any of their other products? As far as pads go they look pretty snazzy.

While we are on the topic, is anyone using a different form of BC other than condoms or the Pill? I'm starting to feel as though the pill is affecting my body negatively. I'm taking Triqulor, I can't use a lighter dose , and I can't use a stronger dose (ex. Marvelon (sp?)) because they either give me 2 week long periods or they make me sick.

I have never tried anything else, any recommendations?

Also, any thoughts on the HPV vaccine? Has anyone had it yet? I am wondering about the risk of long term side effects.

I eat plain yogurt every morning to reduce the risk of getting a yeast infection. I get bladder infections so easily that i have to take a preventative anti-biotic if I don't have a good pee after sex. One antibiotic pill (when I was on birth control) gave me a yeast infection within 24 hours. Now I have an IUD and it is the best thing I have ever done for myself. It also takes the pressure off. I've always had a hard time with the fact that it is (for the most part, at least) distinctly my responsibility to avoid pregnancy. Having a copper IUD has relieved that sense of responsibility because there is something like 0.1% chance I will get pregnant and in that 0.1% there is a 90-something % chance that pregnancy will be ectopic and I would lost the baby (probably without even realizing I was pregnant in the first place).

I recommend IUDs to every girl I meet. Over eighty percent of women in Europe have one. The copper IUD is fantastic because it is completely hormone free. I had a similar problem to yours scarlet, a low dose of BC gave me yeast infections every time i took a necessary antibiotic (so every time i had sex i basically had to decide whether or not to get a bladder infection or a yeast infection) and if the dose was too strong i threw up once or twice a day every day for 21 days.

That was long, but I think IUD's are important and that (in canada at least) there is a unprecedented stigma surrounding them. as long as you are monogamous, you are a perfect candidate. People with many partners in the span of a year are poor candidates because if you contract an STI or STD it is more likely the infection will travel to your uterus.. bad. So as long as you practice safe sex with one partner at a time you are a-okay!

I'm engaged, so no worries on the STD front. But I have always had a bad view of IUDs my high school sex-ed teacher (die-hard catholic) told us that they were basically abortions, that the IUD destroys fertilized eggs. Is this true? Or does it prevent fertilization? How is it inserted?

I have has nothing but problems for a year, bladder/kidney infections, yeast infections, suddenly I'm even allergic to lube. I'm thinking it might be time to go off the pills and maybe ditch the tampons although, I think that the cup would help some of these problems.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject:

sistersarah wrote:

MollyBloom wrote:

Scarlet13 wrote:

nolegirl wrote:

Quote:

moreover.... what is the most heavily sprayed crop in the world? cotton. i wouldnt want a wad of gm'd cotton in my secret garden if i was a girl either.

I'd be interested to see stats too. After reading that warning for so many years on tampon instructions and not hearing of anyone getting it, I'm really curious to see the risks.

It was bad in the 80's I believe, right around the time they stopped making coloured toilet paper (which is all that is available in Korea Shocked

) which can also cause TSS. I think new standards were implemented then, but even so, would you rather die having naked sky diving sex or be the chick who dies from TSS?

Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject:

Scarlet13 wrote:

It was bad in the 80's I believe, right around the time they stopped making coloured toilet paper (which is all that is available in Korea Shocked

) which can also cause TSS. I think new standards were implemented then, but even so, would you rather die having naked sky diving sex or be the chick who dies from TSS?

My toilet paper is white. Confused

Most of the toilet paper I've seen is white.

How does a tampon cause toxic shock but the cup doesn't? They are both foreign objects rammed into the same orifice for long-ish periods of time. I don't get it.

thatwhitegirl

Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Location: ROK

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

I've had the Mirena coil for about 3 years now. It is an IUD, but it isn't copper. http://www.womens-health.co.uk/mirena.asp I think it's great...much much lighter periods, and just a very small amount of hormones. I'd recommend it. Although...I did have side effects for about 6 months! Oh well, it is all sorted now, and I love not having to think about taking a pill. I had it done in the UK, so it was free. By the way, this is a great thread.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

Draz wrote:

Scarlet13 wrote:

It was bad in the 80's I believe, right around the time they stopped making coloured toilet paper (which is all that is available in Korea Shocked

) which can also cause TSS. I think new standards were implemented then, but even so, would you rather die having naked sky diving sex or be the chick who dies from TSS?

My toilet paper is white. Confused

Because the tampons dry out the skin, and when you pull them out it causes the damage, which lets the bacteria in. The cup wouldn't be able to do that.

I can only buy tp from family mart, white is very hard to find, it always seems to have little blue bears or hearts on it.

maeil

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Location: Haebangchon

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

thatwhitegirl wrote:

I've had the Mirena coil for about 3 years now. It is an IUD, but it isn't copper. http://www.womens-health.co.uk/mirena.asp
I think it's great...much much lighter periods, and just a very small amount of hormones.
I'd recommend it. Although...I did have side effects for about 6 months! Oh well, it is all sorted now, and I love not having to think about taking a pill. I had it done in the UK, so it was free.

By the way, this is a great thread.

I'm curious... but I went to the Mirena website and it said, over and over again, that it was specifically for women who've already had a child. I didn't dig deep enough to find the why behind it, but it seemed pretty specific. If you haven't had a child, did you get this inserted in Korea?

aboxofchocolates

Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:26 am Post subject:

maeil wrote:

I can't tell you for certain, but I know my doctor said they do not like to inset them into women whose cervix has not been opened. Doctors can open your cervix for you, but it is very uncomfortable. there was a poster here who had one put in in korea, but i forget who. It was on a birth control thread. It would be interesting to know if this is true in korea as well.

dasmith2

Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:27 am Post subject:

maeil wrote:

I've been sort of curious about the IUD, but there was one simple thing that put me off from them... the often-reported side effect of heavier, longer, more painful periods. Have you experienced anything like that? I don't know about anyone else, but it's a total deal-breaker for me.

If you get an IUD with hormonal contraceptive in it, (it is plastic) you will eventually have no period at all. My roommate has this version of the IUD and she stopped having a period within 6 months. In the meantime her flow was lighter and lighter by the month.

In my experience, the first period I had with the copper (non-hormonal) IUD was extremely heavy. But this also may have had something to do with the fact that I had already been off hormonal BC for the month prior. Heavier, longer periods are a side effect for some women, but most women's periods stay the same (just don't expect it to be as light as if you were on the Pill because you won't be hormonally altering your body). In my case, before I was on any BC I had really heavy periods (I got sick a lot and fainted a lot). I was concerned this would happen again when I got the copper IUD, but before I was on BC I was 14-18 and now I am 23. My periods naturally regulated themselves and now I only get a four day "normal" period. I don't wear tampons anymore. Just pads. I am considering the diva cup (or something along the same lines), but tampons are a risk if you have an IUD since they allow bacteria to build up. It is unlikely that the bacteria will catch on to the strings of your IUD and then travel up to your uterus, but it is a risk.

Anyway, sorry if there is a lot of run-ons there, I just woke up!
Hope that helps!

nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:49 am Post subject:

Scarlet13 wrote:

It prevents eggs from attaching. It doesn't prevent ovulation. However the ones that are mentioned as ending menstrual cycles might have enough hormones to stop ovulation as well. Yes technically in Catholic terms you can't use one. However it doesn't count as an 'abortion' in medical terminology as there is neither 1)death of a fetus or 2)expulsion of the fetus after death 3)nor is the purpose of the device to terminate a fetus. it prevents development.
Anyone wannae prove this?

tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:06 am Post subject:

coloured TP causes TSS??? We use TP with little dogs on because that's what my daughter wanted!

dasmith2

Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:22 am Post subject:

aboxofchocolates wrote:

maeil wrote:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

I am 22 years old and have never had a child. Neither have any of my three friends who also have an IUD. The doctor will give you two pills that you either ingest or insert (depending on which type of pill they give you) and that will dilate your cervix for you. It only needs to be dilated 2 to 3 centimetres. It id definitely not uncomfortable. I felt a little crampy (as though I was about to start my period) but that was it. The most discomfort was the actual insertion, and that is because the IUD touches the top of your uterus which triggers an instant nausea. You feel very crampy for a day or two and then you are fine. I took two midols before I had it inserted, and kept taking them until day 3. Some girls said it was the most painful thing they've ever experienced, so I was really really nervous. You definitely can't go to work afterwards, or the next day, but I wasn't in agony. My cramps during my first period with an IUD lasted a lot longer than usual and they were pretty painful because I got my period two days after I got my IUD, but I've been fine since. And, its a form of birth control that you NEVER have to think about it. It is less painful for women who have had children before, but it is not restricted to them. It is the most effective way of preventing pregnancy.
Also, I am a Catholic, my mother told me to go on BC and when all the problems I had with it arose she told me to do whatever it takes to prevent pregnancy. She had sex before marriage so she could not dictate that option.

About the abortion question: The IUD makes your uterus completely inhabitable. This means that often, sperm will NOT fertilize your egg because there is a foreign object already in your uterus. IF the sperm does fertilize your egg you are NOT pregnant. Pregnancy is determined by the implantation of a fertilized egg (zygote) to the wall of your uterus. This will not ahppen if you have an IUD because it has made your uterus inhabitable. The egg will be simply be shed with the lining of your uterus during your period. In the very very small chance a zygote implants itself to the wall of your uterus, then you are indeed pregnant. However, because of the IUD a zygote is much more likely to implant itself in your tubes than in your uterus. If this happens you will know it because it will hurt, a lot. You will then either miscarry or be forced to terminate. The chances of this happening have been documented at 1 in 1000 women (if my memory serves me correctly).
So, and IUD does not abort pregnancies, it does indeed prevent them. A hormonal IUD stops you from ovulating all together, but the benefit with it being inside you is that you never have to take a pill or change a patch or get a shot. Both forms of IUD are good for five years, but you can remove it at any time.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:

nicholas_chiasson wrote:

Scarlet13 wrote:

Oh, I'm not Catholic, my teacher was, a lot what she said was tainted. I did some reading today, I think that I would prefer the IUD with the hormones, I do think that a fertilized egg counts as a 'baby' but apparently it is a secondary action to block the fertilized egg from implanting and the primary function is to create an inhospitable environment that destroys both the egg, and sperm. Its 99.9% effective. I honestly don't know what my position on abortion is, I have an idea but in reality things would probably be very different, I'm not crazy about the secondary function but it would be rare to even get to that stage, and in that case prevention would be better than an actual abortion.

Its pricey though, for the hormonal IDU it is between $350.00-$500.00Can. Still even BC at 8 bucks a pack at planned parenthood would be around $400.00 all together.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:41 am Post subject:

tzechuk wrote:

coloured TP causes TSS???

We use TP with little dogs on because that's what my daughter wanted!

I don't know for sure if it causes TSS, but it does cause UTI's and rectal problems. A woman should never put anything scented in that area, it can seriously mess with her PH and lead to a slew of problems...including yeast infections. I remember when I was a kid I had to use that weird see-through yellow soap because any scent or colour additive would burn me:(

My grandma has always told me never to use a product with any more than 4 ingredients because it is terrible on you skin. I tend to believe her, my grandma looks damn good for 83!

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