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ACT III

Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah the photo thing is kinda weird, is it common for other types of 'non modeling` jobs in korea?
I've done a few university interviews recently and I noticed that sometimes the interviewer(s) is/are intimidated by professionalism. Now I don't have a lot of experience but I do have a CELTA, and at my previous school received some great professional development. (Which was leaps and bounds more beneficial in the real world of teaching.) But when I used words like 'kinesthetic', or 'receptive skills' in response to the question of "how do you approach teaching?" I received blank stares of "is that english?" Now maybe a 24 year old that graduated from a well known uni who is trying to be professional doesn't belong in a university because of age, or heaven forbid doesn't look good in a suit. But isn't it fair to say that a good majority of universities in Korea, like the majority of english education here, are not looking for professionalism but rather just the vain image of it?
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robot

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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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captain kirk wrote: |
Pompous windbag. |
Actually, Francis-Pax has some good points, though they're things you would think would be common sense.
University wages are pretty brutal, though. Sure the vacation's nice if you don't get suckered into camps, but as you can make triple or more on salary elsewhere there's little temptation to run out and apply. |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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It would vary a bit, but I think that a university would be very likely to take an ivy league/oxbridge applicant over an experienced one (without such great qualifications). They will them stick them in with the kiddies/non-English majors, with predictable results. However, few such people apply from inside Korea. |
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NightSky
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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ACT III wrote: |
But when I used words like 'kinesthetic', or 'receptive skills' in response to the question of "how do you approach teaching?" I received blank stares of "is that english?" |
dude, half the people here don't even know how to spell definitely, let alone define the meaning of a big ol' complicated word like kinesthetic. I'd lower your sights a little.  |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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NightSky wrote: |
ACT III wrote: |
But when I used words like 'kinesthetic', or 'receptive skills' in response to the question of "how do you approach teaching?" I received blank stares of "is that english?" |
dude, half the people here don't even know how to spell definitely, let alone define the meaning of a big ol' complicated word like kinesthetic. I'd lower your sights a little.  |
LOL! What a douche! It's spelled definately.
got ya |
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ACT III

Joined: 14 Nov 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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NightSky wrote: |
dude, half the people here don't even know how to spell definitely, let alone define the meaning of a big ol' complicated word like kinesthetic. I'd lower your sights a little.  |
Fair point, it was just in response to the OP's message of unprofessional applicants. My bad. I've dropped my sights to showing up to the interview after rocking some dongdong joo, teaching kids that spelling color with a 'u' is a really bad word, and that american beef isn't as evil as japanese beef. |
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MrMr
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Why you can't get that university job! |
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Francis, Thanks for the common sense advice. I'll review it in September when I begin looking for a new uni position. |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well Mr Mr, you won't be able to do anything about points 3 and 4 before then, and when bearing in mind point 2, bear in mind that what the western bloke on the hiring committe thinks about your teaching methodology talk may not be the same as what the Koreans think, or want to hear. (and who really knows if they want academic jargon or I-can-hack-it-with-the-kids anyway?).
Which leaves us with point 1. Write a nice resume and use a pretty photo. Thanks a lot. |
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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I may be wrong, but it seems like uni students in Korea are harder to handle than HS students. The ones I've seen in my neighborhood are always making a ruckus, being loud and obnoxious...I wonder if they're any different in their FT's required-but-ok-to-fail-because-I-will-pass-no-matter-what English "Conversation" class.
And what about the respect the FT receives at a university? Is it any more than that you typically receive at a PS? I don't have to mark papers, deal with unruly students on my own, take attendance; get a vacation that rivals some uni instructors', and get paid more than a typical uni instructor. Why would I want a university teaching position? Can anyone convince me? Am I way off-base here?  |
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branchsnapper
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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You are way on base, but for myself I would rather teach a class by myself than be treated like a talking turnip. My public school basically allows that, but anyway, public schools have their own issues......... |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Man, you must work at a really bad university or a really good one which attracts a lot of weirdos too.
I work at a mid-level university and we never get women wearing halter tops in thier photos. I kind of wish we did though. We do get some bad looking resume's but we get plenty of nice looking ones. It makes our life easier; you just throw the bad ones out.
It ain't that difficult.
What I find annoying, though, is the applicants who demand things like there is one applicant for five positions and we can't find anyone to fill it. People with BAs and only hakwon experience thinking the university will bend over backwards to hire them. Of course, they just don't get hired and the people who look they will work hard do.
But, it ain't that difficult. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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You forgot to mention not using stupid email address's.
Things like - [email protected] are not appropriate. It's not hard to get an email address similar to your real name that can be used for work. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Why you can't get that university job! |
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Francis-Pax wrote: |
4. Too young and little teaching experience. It does not matter if you graduated Summa Cum Laude. You need to have some solid experience in Korea. And under 24-25 years old makes you younger than the vast majority of your students. Maturity is important. We do not want to hire a person we think is going to be banging the students.
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What does one's age have to do with a teacher's choice to bang the students? I think that would depend on the person's individual personality, since even a 30 year old could choose to have sex with the students. In the end, such an act is a personal choice and not dependent on their age at all. Profiling someone by their age like this is the same as profiling a black person saying they're more likely to rape the students. Just because they belong to a superficial group (age or skin colour) that has a higher incidence of the problem does not mean that individual will cause the problem. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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ACT III wrote: |
Now I don't have a lot of experience but I do have a CELTA, and at my previous school received some great professional development. (Which was leaps and bounds more beneficial in the real world of teaching.) But when I used words like 'kinesthetic', or 'receptive skills' in response to the question of "how do you approach teaching?" I received blank stares of "is that english?" |
What? A CELTA didn't get you hired immediately by the university? Wow, surely there must be something wrong with them -- especially since you obviously planted a few teaching terms.
They should have bowed down and kissed your ass!
Yeah.... I suppose it couldn't have been anything else (like maybe they had someone with an MA/TESOL who did a better job at their interview). Gee, do you think that maybe, just maybe, you might have come across as a little bit haughty? |
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ytuque

Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Location: I drink therefore I am!
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Why you can't get that university job! |
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Francis-Pax wrote: |
3. No signs of any professional development. Sorry folks! Teaching kindergarten or elementary school for three years without having done anything to improve yourself in the realm of English language teaching is unimpressive. Don't expect sympathy from people who have worked their ass off getting a MA TESOL when you have done nothing to really make yourself a more competent teacher.
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What's the big deal about professional development? I have yet to have a Korean student ask me a question that required thought. Finally, why do you TESOL folks have so much attitude? The requirements to get into a TESOL program are low, and it is one of the least respected or valued Masters degrees. |
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