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wayfarer
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Why is S. Korea occasionally idiotically called a developing |
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country? A few times I've noticed posters on these boards, and elsewhere (including my Korean co-teacher, incidentally - I don't remember what the hell she was talking about, but she was comparing Korea to a "big developed country like USA") saying that. What? How did you get a bachelor's degree? How did you get put in a position to teach other humans?
As of last year, Korea has the world's 13th highest nominal GDP,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 . Per capita, it's still at number 35 (out of over 200), in the same neighborhood as Israel or New Zealand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
Outside my building, within a 2 block walking distance, there about 5 pc rooms, 2 department stores, a bookstore with an English section, bars serving overpriced drinks, and plenty of plastic mass-produced junk everywhere.
Millions on this planet don't even have running water or electricity. That's the undeveloped sector. In other places (Iraq), the water and electricity are there but often don't work - that's the developing part. Korea is neither.
I'm only talking about dollars and cents. Whether Korea is morally or socially developed is another matter, upon which I won't comment at the moment. |
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seoul101

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I think that's where the term comes from, it's the moral and social issues and systems that contribute to make a country developed as a whole. I wouldn't call Korea developing, nor would I call it developed in the sense Western Europe or N.America is.
It's quite interesting how so many Koreans I've spoken to talk of their country as 'developing', often as an excuse or way of explaining why something is like it is. |
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wayfarer
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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seoul101 wrote: |
I think that's where the term comes from, it's the moral and social issues and systems that contribute to make a country developed as a whole. I wouldn't call Korea developing, nor would I call it developed in the sense Western Europe or N.America is. |
I agree in principle, but it seems to be mainly used in the economic sense. It certainly was used in that sense when I heard it misapplied.
seoul101 wrote: |
It's quite interesting how so many Koreans I've spoken to talk of their country as 'developing', often as an excuse or way of explaining why something is like it is. |
Indeed. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Korea is a developing country. It may have one of the top 13 countries, but it not as developed as the countries of Western Europe, and it is a third world country. Many websites do list South Korea as a third world country. Many countries that produce things are considered third world countries. I would say Japan is definitely a developed country. It clearly falls into that category. Korea is basically borderline. Definitely, in the 1990s Korea was simply in the developing countries category. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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go to the country side. also go to some of the poorer areas of the country. also it has to do with per capita income. the average income for korea is 20,000 dollars. which is quit good but not enough to be a developed country. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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I'd definitely consider some of the rural areas here still 'developing'. Is a world away from Seoul - houses can be very substandard, having separate outhouses etc, and old women washing clothes in the communal stream etc. Old men still planting rice by hand while carrying baskets on their backs. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Why is S. Korea occasionally idiotically called a develo |
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Can we call China a developed country? It has a larger GDP than Switzerland and the Netherlands.
Let this be justification for calling Israel and New Zealand "developing countries", not for calling Korea a "developed" one. (Israel is understandable, but egads, is that true about New Zealand? Same level as the locals?) |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I'd classify Korea as developed. In terms of standard of living, GDP/capita, education (yes...it's a little screwy but educated Koreans are smart, especially in quantative subjects and the investment they put into education is astronomical..) and overall infrastructral development Korea is developed.
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Outside my building, within a 2 block walking distance, there about 5 pc rooms, 2 department stores, a bookstore with an English section, bars serving overpriced drinks, and plenty of plastic mass-produced junk everywhere. |
This however does little to prove this point. I'm from South Africa and where I live(d) it was as developed if not more developed than almost any other country I've been in: good infrastructure, ridiculously high standard of living, high quality shops and restaurants and so on, however this does not mean that the country as a whole is developed; just that pockets of development exist. For the record I'd classify SA as developing... |
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wayfarer
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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ulsanchris wrote: |
go to the country side. also go to some of the poorer areas of the country. also it has to do with per capita income. the average income for korea is 20,000 dollars. which is quit good but not enough to be a developed country. |
I was talking per capita. It's actually 22 to 24 thousand. If Korea is poor on a per capita basis, then so is New Zealand. The IMF has a list of over a hundred economies considered to be "developing". http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/groups.htm#oem South Korea isn't on it. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Otherside wrote: |
I'd classify Korea as developed. In terms of standard of living, GDP/capita, education (yes...it's a little screwy but educated Koreans are smart, especially in quantative subjects and the investment they put into education is astronomical..) and overall infrastructral development Korea is developed.
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Outside my building, within a 2 block walking distance, there about 5 pc rooms, 2 department stores, a bookstore with an English section, bars serving overpriced drinks, and plenty of plastic mass-produced junk everywhere. |
This however does little to prove this point. I'm from South Africa and where I live(d) it was as developed if not more developed than almost any other country I've been in: good infrastructure, ridiculously high standard of living, high quality shops and restaurants and so on, however this does not mean that the country as a whole is developed; just that pockets of development exist. For the record I'd classify SA as developing... |
South Africa and South Korea are both considered third world or developing countries. Anyway, Israel has as much technology as Korea. The Israelis have a decent GDP and about the same per capita income as Italy. You could say Israel is a developed country if you say Korea is a developed country. China has a very large GDP, but it's per capita income is not so high. When people look at developed countries versus developing they compare the countries of Western Europe, Japan, and the US to other countries in terms of infrastructure, GDP, services, per capita income. If you compare South Africa to Korea, that's not a proper comparison. It would just be more developed than South Africa. |
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wayfarer
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: Why is S. Korea occasionally idiotically called a develo |
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Can we call China a developed country? It has a larger GDP than Switzerland and the Netherlands.
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Um, no it doesn't have. Please look up the term "per capita", or read others' posts a little more slowly. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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wayfarer wrote: |
ulsanchris wrote: |
go to the country side. also go to some of the poorer areas of the country. also it has to do with per capita income. the average income for korea is 20,000 dollars. which is quit good but not enough to be a developed country. |
I was talking per capita. It's actually 22 to 24 thousand. If Korea is poor on a per capita basis, then so is New Zealand. The IMF has a list of over a hundred economies considered to be "developing". http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/01/weodata/groups.htm#oem South Korea isn't on it. |
Can you simply determine if a country is a developed or developing country simply by looking at GDP and per capita income? I mean Kuwait has a higher per capita income than Korea. Doesn't it? You could say the same about the United Arab Emirates. Also, as I said, Israel has technology and a high per capita income. You should factor in things like hospital care, quality of roads, government corruption, transparency, red-tape, coherent financial and banking system, and general services for the population. Korea doesn't do very well in other areas whereas New Zealand probably does a lot better in other areas. Korea is basically borderline, but it doesn't strike me as a first world country. The way the government and banks operate doesn't give me that impression. |
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ryouga013
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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seoul101 wrote: |
I think that's where the term comes from, it's the moral and social issues and systems that contribute to make a country developed as a whole. I wouldn't call Korea developing, nor would I call it developed in the sense Western Europe or N.America is. |
I would agree for the "moral and social issues." Economically it has gained a great status in the world but at the same time with the level of corruption and bankruptcies seen in the Korean economy, people don't seem to have a great deal of faith in Korea.
seoul101 wrote: |
It's quite interesting how so many Koreans I've spoken to talk of their country as 'developing', often as an excuse or way of explaining why something is like it is. |
I have had the same thing said to me many times for the same reasons... saving face. We are such a great country! but not too great that peeing in public isn't looked down upon |
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fustiancorduroy
Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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When I talked to bankers in Shanghai, they said Korea was a developed country. I mostly agree, but some aspects (like corruption and openness of the market) are still developing. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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According to a friend who worked as a research fellow at the Korea Development Institute (the most advanced thinktank in Korea) they're up for review in 2012 and will more than likely be placed in the "developed" category.
Heavy industries in Korea are sharting their collective pants apparently, because an entire new set of production/emission/pollution standards will go into effect. He admitted that the country has pretty much been sandbagging for the past two decades or so...we had some interesting chats.
Probably the most intelligent and articulate Korean I've met...so it didn't surprise me when he left the country about a year ago. |
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