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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: We won't have Ron Paul to kick around anymore... |
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Oh Ron, say it isn't true!!!
Ron Paul to end campaign outside Texas convention
By JIM VERTUNO, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 24 minutes ago
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will end his campaign Thursday night and announce a new effort to help elect libertarian-leaning Republicans to public office around the country.
Campaign spokesman Jesse Benton said the announcement, expected during a rally coinciding with the Texas GOP State Convention in Houston, was "not a disappointment at all. I think this is really exciting."
Paul's announcement will be a formality.
The 72-year-old Texas congressman won few delegates during the Republican primaries. But he raised millions of dollars online and developed a large, grass-roots following among those who backed his call for ending the war in Iraq and smaller government at home.
Supporters have pushed for a speaking role for him at the Republican National Convention in September in St. Paul, Minn.
Paul has said he won't endorse Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee. Benton said that was unlikely to change.
I see party loyalty isn't one of his many virtues either.  |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Neither is self-control one of yours. You cannot seem to let a Ron Paul reference go by without making one of your snide comments.
Well, excuse RP. Unlike you, he has some integrity and refuses to endorse the clueless, war-mongering flip-flopper, and doesn't value blind loyalty. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| flip-flopper, and doesn't value blind loyalty |
I don't think the Libertarians on the board are going to appreciate you bringing up Babar like that. |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| no!!!!! He was the only hope the world had... |
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hossenfeffer
Joined: 07 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy,
I'm curious as to why you're so anti-Ron Paul? I've also noticed that you can't resist taking a poke at him any time he is mentioned.
As for "party loyalty".....does this mean that you think that democrats should agree with EVERYTHING that a democratic senator/congressman/president does? Should republicans agree with EVERYTHING that republican "representatives" do? Do you really see things in terms of "party loyalty"?
One of the things I can't stand about some "Conservative" talk show hosts is their silly allegiance to Bush. In the same respect, the print and television media's biased reporting of Obama is silly too.
Please explicate your reason(s) for hating Dr. Paul and your belief in the importance of "party loyalty". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm curious as to why you're so anti-Ron Paul? |
I've noticed the same lack of control in myself. After several seconds of introspection, I guess it comes down to the same reason dogs lick themselves--because I can. (If you want a more detailed answer, you could look back at some of my posts from last winter. I think I spelled out my views on RP then.)
As for party loyalty, you seem to be working from a different definition of it than I am. If someone is going to join a party, I assume they more or less agree with the general positions of that party while allowing for the variations of belief on the different issues of the day. Parties are merely coalitions of factions with varying views.
I hold candidates for head of the party to a higher standard. If you are going to enter the contest then I think you have 'promised' to abide by the results. In my view, RP is acting like the 12 year old who gets mad during the baseball game and takes the one baseball home. He sought the party's nomination and I think he is morally obligated to support the party's choice.
I profoundly disagree with a fair number of RP's positions but until now I didn't question his integrity as a person. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| As for party loyalty, you seem to be working from a different definition of it than I am. If someone is going to join a party, I assume they more or less agree with the general positions of that party while allowing for the variations of belief on the different issues of the day. Parties are merely coalitions of factions with varying views. |
 The biggest reason you don't like Ron Paul is party loyalty? Were the 1990s a complete blur to you or something? The era when Ron Paul came back to the house was the one when Republicans were all about small government, low taxes, and suspicious of foreign intervention. As recently as 2000 George Bush was very strong on why the US shouldn't be the policemen of the world, with a humble foreign policy and all the rest. All of a sudden they're not about that anymore and everybody's supposed to fall in line. I suppose you're a member of the anti-Chuck Hagel fan club too.
Pro-tip: when you don't like somebody there's no subsequent obligation to try to find fault with each and every aspect of what they do. That's called stretching. I could understand your opposition to RP based on you seeing his view of the past as utopian, that's fine. But party loyalty, that's the weakest of weak reasons I've seen so far from you. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| No more nearby Ron Paul rally in Minnesota during the second day of the GOP convention? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Man, the only hope now is a Sirhan-Sirhan or an Oswald! |
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SirFink
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| hossenfeffer wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy,
I'm curious as to why you're so anti-Ron Paul? I've also noticed that you can't resist taking a poke at him any time he is mentioned.
As for "party loyalty".....does this mean that you think that democrats should agree with EVERYTHING that a democratic senator/congressman/president does? Should republicans agree with EVERYTHING that republican "representatives" do? Do you really see things in terms of "party loyalty"?
One of the things I can't stand about some "Conservative" talk show hosts is their silly allegiance to Bush. In the same respect, the print and television media's biased reporting of Obama is silly too.
Please explicate your reason(s) for hating Dr. Paul and your belief in the importance of "party loyalty". |
I'm not Ya-Ta Boy but I dislike Ron Paul because despite what the R.P apologists (RPA) would have you believe, he is a rabid racist. Back in the day a "newspaper" (and I use the term loosely) was published by him with a number of articles under his name which were quite racist and anti-Semite. Now the RPA will tell you that (1) he may not have written these articles and (2) didn't know what was in them.
While 1 may be true, 2 is definitely not, and the RPA need to stop claiming otherwise. Ron Paul was asked some time ago by a political opponent of his to define something he said in one of his articles. Instead of denying that he wrote it, or claiming that he didn't know what was in it, he stated that the article had been "taken out of context". So he clearly MUST have known what was in the article to make such a statement.
I will provide the link upon request to the story above if anybody is interested. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mith, if you calm down and re-read my post you'll see that my comment about party loyalty is in reference to his character, not his political philosophy (which is the original reason I dislike him). |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't care for Paul, but at the same time I don't dislike him. In a way I hope he helps Barr suck some votes away from McCain. My guess is Barr won't break even 5% nationally though. |
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