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mises
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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"Presently young Venezuelans are being recruited for training in Lebanon.
Tarek el Ayssami, Venezuela's vice-Minister of the Interior, along with others affiliated with Hezbollah, such as Lebanon-born Gahzi Nasserddine currently the Business Liaison at the Venezuelan embassy in Damascus, along with [his brother by surname] Ghasan Atef Salameh Nasserddine (a) Abu Ali, are in charge of recruiting young Venezuelan Arabs affiliated to the PSUV [Chavez's own Venezuelan Socialist Party], to be sent to South Lebanon for combat training in Hezbollah camps.
The purpose of the training is for preparing the youths for asymmetrical war against the United States." |
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/06/chavez_giving_up_on_terrorism.php
http://faustasblog.com/2008/06/venezuelans-recruited-by-interior.html
http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=15098
I don't know if even Chavez could be so naively bold. |
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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Two of the three links you provided are basically same thing i.e. Clipping from the same Spanish language newspaper and third one doesn't even work. |
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endo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| Well the CIA was likely behind a failed coup in Venezuela a few years back, so it's not surprising why Chavez is a little paranoid. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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| blade wrote: |
Two of the three links you provided are basically same thing i.e. Clipping from the same Spanish language newspaper and third one doesn't even work. |
I gave my source ctblog, their source and the primary source in Spanish. All three work fine for me.
What is the evidence that the CIA was behind the coup? |
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agentX
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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| mises wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
Two of the three links you provided are basically same thing i.e. Clipping from the same Spanish language newspaper and third one doesn't even work. |
I gave my source ctblog, their source and the primary source in Spanish. All three work fine for me.
What is the evidence that the CIA was behind the coup? |
Right here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela
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| Reich is said by OAS sources to have had 'a number of meetings with Carmona and other leaders of the coup' over several months. The coup was discussed in some detail, right down to its timing and chances of success, which were deemed to be excellent. |
So Chavez is sending people over there for training, huh? Not good, but it's nothing to be worried about. We're not going to attack Venezuela any time soon. We can't even handle the Taliban so Chavez doesn't have anything to worry about. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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endo said:
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| the CIA was likely behind a failed coup in Venezuela a few years back |
the Guardian said:
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Now officials at the Organisation of American States and other diplomatic sources, talking to The Observer, assert that the US administration was not only aware the coup was about to take place, but had sanctioned it, presuming it to be destined for success. |
Key words are aware and sanctioned. So, they knew about it and approved of it.
This does not constitute being "behind" it. "Behind" suggests they planned, financed and executed it either as the primary actors or from the sidelines.
I would agree that they should not have agreed with it and that being aware of it and didn't send some signals is not exactly a path to stable relations. But the hyperbole is annoying. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The US is not the enemy of Venezuela. The US just wants Venezuelan oil. Of course, that coup thing was a horrible thing since he was democratically elected, and I can understand him seeing America as his enemy when the US supported a coup against him. Many people would feel like him. However, he still sending oil to the US despite everything. Anyway, when Bush is gone, he will have a harder time selling his rhetoric to the Venezuelan people. They will get tired of it. Mark my words on that. |
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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| mises wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
Two of the three links you provided are basically same thing i.e. Clipping from the same Spanish language newspaper and third one doesn't even work. |
I gave my source ctblog, their source and the primary source in Spanish. All three work fine for me. |
I can't get this link to work (http://faustasblog.com/2008/06/venezuelans-recruited-by-interior.html), I tried it using both IE and Firefox but it won't load.
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What is the evidence that the CIA was behind the coup? |
Where is the evidence to prove that the CIA wasn't behind the coup? Of course there's none either way but given the CIA's past history of supplying intelligence to other coup instigators in other countries it's not too unreasonable to assume that the CIA may have helped the leaders of the coup. The very fact that the US was so quick to recognize the coup is proof that the US was prepared to support the overthrow of a democratically elected government should be cause of concern for those who think the US's foreign policy goal is to spread democracy around the world. Imagine for a second if the shoe was on the other foot and Venezuela had supported an attempted coup in the United States and the leaders of the coup were to be given refuge in the US. Would people in the US be so quick to forgive Venezuela? I highly doubt it and I'd expect that trade sanctions and a limited air raid of Venezuelan military positions would be carried out at the very least.
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| The US is not the enemy of Venezuela. |
I don't the rhetoric of US newspapers might lead some people to believe otherwise. Anyway people in South America don't trust the United States because quite frankly the US has a very checkered history of interfering the domestic affairs of South American countries. If the US want's to show that its agenda toward the US is not try and undermine Venezuela then could start by stop helping to fund the Venezuelan i.e. National Endowment for Democracy, the US would not tolerate the Venezuelan government in sponsoring a US opposition group so why should the Venezuelan's? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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| blade wrote: |
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What is the evidence that the CIA was behind the coup? |
Where is the evidence to prove that the CIA wasn't behind the coup? |
Need I explain why this is an insufficient answer? Am I conversing with RTeacher? |
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: young Venezuelans are being sent for training in Lebanon |
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| mises wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
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What is the evidence that the CIA was behind the coup? |
Where is the evidence to prove that the CIA wasn't behind the coup? |
Need I explain why this is an insufficient answer? |
Go on humor me 
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Am I conversing with RTeacher? |
A little paranoid are we? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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No, not paranoid. Your logic reflects that of a person with strongly held religious beliefs.
So, I'll humor you.
Where is the evidence that the Americans didn't secretly fund the election of Stephen Harper in Canada? Where is the evidence that they didn't harm Crosby's ankle in the playoffs? Where is the evidence that they didn't move my bed slightly to the left today and cause me to stub my toe. I can find no evidence that they didn't do these things, and ergo should assume that they did do them because they have done bad stuff elsewhere in the world at other times?
We can be fairly sure that the Bushies wouldn't have shed a tear for a post-Chavez South America. I would welcome such an outcome as well. And they likely knew it was coming and maybe even offered a few notes of encouragement. But there is no evidence that they were "behind" it. If some evidence comes to light, then I'll change my opinion.
To be honest, I wouldn't be all that surprised if they did help out in a capacity larger than it appears they did. Until evidence demonstrating this surfaces, merely relying on the ramblings of an internet poster who has a well-developed dislike for the current American government -which most of us do- doesn't cut it. Sorry. |
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blade
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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No, not paranoid. Your logic reflects that of a person with strongly held religious beliefs.
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Actually I'm very much an agnostic and haven't been to a church service other than a wedding or funeral ceremony since I was ten.
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So, I'll humor you.
Where is the evidence that the Americans didn't secretly fund the election of Stephen Harper in Canada? Where is the evidence that they didn't harm Crosby's ankle in the playoffs? Where is the evidence that they didn't move my bed slightly to the left today and cause me to stub my toe. I can find no evidence that they didn't do these things, and ergo should assume that they did do them because they have done bad stuff elsewhere in the world at other times? |
Did you even read my post? I never said that anybody should assume anything however I did say that given the US history of interference in other South American countries it's not unreasonable to assume that the CIA may have helped the leaders of the coup now is it? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Chavez supports FARC .
There is no evidence the US was behind the coup. If some people mentioned it to US officials that is not the fault of the US.
Though if someone is supporting a drug terror organization such as FARC it would be justified. |
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