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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| If the US pulled out of Korea, the North Koreans could take over without much of a fight. The stock market of every industrialized country would crash. There is a lot at risk. |
You are right about the North coming in like the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man but how do you know stock markets in EVERY industrialized nation would crash? |
Let's see, how about this scenario... S. Korea is the world's 13 largest economy and would disappear in case of a takeover by the North. |
Apparently the Netherlands has the 14th largest economy, so if South Korea was out of commission, then the Netherlands would step up a notch? Who cares anyway, if it goes down, every country will be making some readjustments, no big deal, life goes on, just it will have to go on without Samsung and LG, but again, life goes on. |
Have you ever taken an economics class? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If you are currently teaching in Korea, ask yourself...............why is it that you have the opportunity to do so? |
By default. Most teachers I meet aren't here by first, second or even third choice. They are here because their own countries do not provide adequate opportunities for them. . |
Guess it's true about what they say about birds of a feather flocking together.
Just because you and your friends are here by default, doesn't mean it is true of most teachers here. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| the Norks now have the bomb and the South doesn't. |
How do you know they do?
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| Just because you and your friends are here by default, doesn't mean it is true of most teachers here. |
Been doing this for almost 10 years now. And the vast majority of the teachers I have met are teaching by default. They would rather be somewhere else doing something else then putting up with the male cow dung we have to endure in other cultures to make a living.
For those who are the exception, I would say you don't know what you're missing. ESL is a shitty profession except for one thing, the potential to live in other countries for the experience. But most don't even to that, they stay put in one place for the security. Yes, ESL professionals travel more than most, but after so many years, traveling isn't so enjoyable.
Being 'home' among your own kind in your own country starts to look better every day, as many posts on another thread - I Wanna Go Home - attest to.
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travelingfool
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Just curious.....how would pulling out of Germany be disastrous? Will another Third Reich rise in our absence?
Everyone's arguments are all interesting except you don't realize that we are BROKE!!!! Has anyone ever taken an accounting class or had to deal with budgets, general ledgers, P&Ls, etc? More money going out than coming in=bad. We have something like 9 trillion in debt right now, with another 30 to 60 trillion in unfunded liabilities with social security and medicare. Things will really hit the fan when the baby boomers retire en masse.
We MUST pull out of Iraq. We must cut back on our defense spending and stop the war profiteering. We must start drilling for oil, even if it means a species of worm may go extinct. Thank god for high gas prices. People are finally starting to wake up to reality.
Screw Korea. We don't owe them anything. We could use those billions to invest in our own country. We should make our own song....F'ing Korea. My brother even has a recording studio. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| how would pulling out of Germany be disastrous? |
It wouldn't be. Germany is the strongest European economy and could well afford their own defense. And who do they need defending from? LMFHO
The US Empire stays because the Germans keep accepting the un-backed printed fiat dollar. Before long they won't and will tell the Americans to pack it up.
In fact, that's why the US Empire stays in all the nation states it has a presence in - to eliminate any potential military challenges to its domination. Germany, Japan, S. Korea. It pulled out of the Philippines - no threat - because it moved to Diego Garcia.
Where it doesn't have a presence, and feels a threat it attacks -
Iraq, Iran, kosovo, Venezuela come to mind.
Where doesn't the US Empire have a presence and is not yet threatening attack?
Russia and China, who are forming an alliance with Iran to be prepared for the time when the US Empire falls. Coming soon. War is already brewing between the US and China in Africa.
Remember also, the North Koreans didn't lose to South Korea. When the Empire falls and the US pulls out of South Korea, there will be nothing to stop China, through North Korea, from taking over. look at a map. This has been going on for hundreds of years in this area, one people taking over and controlling another.
Why should Americans care? |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the USA just leave South Korea? |
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So the USA has a military presence here which has carried over since the UN forces came in back in the 50's to protect from the communist north. I understand that one could say that the war is not finished as it is just a cease fire, but given the negative feelings towards Americans by Koreans, being brought to a head by the Mad cow thing. why does the USA just say f it, you complain and complain we'll just leave see you later.
The USa has a military presence in Japan and also other areas of the Pacific why the need to stay somewhere where your not welcomed with open arms, and appreciated. the saying "One does not know what one has till it is lost".
I do not say this as a reaction to the mad cow thingy - this is a democracy and the people have a right to express thier opinions whether you think them right or wrong is your opinion ( and since we are in another country - it's not our right to force our opinion on them, the opposite is also true). But korea needs a kick up the backside as a misbehaving child would who starts to take for granted what is provided for it and still asks for more.
Your thoughts? |
Because the US is a military hegemony and thus requires bases in strategically significant positions around the globe much more than it cares about Koreans whining about beef. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| the Norks now have the bomb and the South doesn't. |
How do you know they do?
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| Just because you and your friends are here by default, doesn't mean it is true of most teachers here. |
Been doing this for almost 10 years now. And the vast majority of the teachers I have met are teaching by default. They would rather be somewhere else doing something else then putting up with the male cow dung we have to endure in other cultures to make a living.
Again those are the people YOU met. I can say that I have met many people who feel otherwise. Going on eight years myself
For those who are the exception, I would say you don't know what you're missing. ESL is a shitty profession except for one thing, the potential to live in other countries for the experience. But most don't even to that, they stay put in one place for the security. Yes, ESL professionals travel more than most, but after so many years, traveling isn't so enjoyable.
Depends on your point of view. I find traveling enjoyable..but to each his own
Being 'home' among your own kind in your own country starts to look better every day, as many posts on another thread - I Wanna Go Home - attest to. |
My "own kind"? What? HUMANkind IS my own kind. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| If the US pulled out of Korea, the North Koreans could take over without much of a fight. The stock market of every industrialized country would crash. There is a lot at risk. |
You are right about the North coming in like the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man but how do you know stock markets in EVERY industrialized nation would crash? |
Let's see, how about this scenario... S. Korea is the world's 13 largest economy and would disappear in case of a takeover by the North. |
Apparently the Netherlands has the 14th largest economy, so if South Korea was out of commission, then the Netherlands would step up a notch? Who cares anyway, if it goes down, every country will be making some readjustments, no big deal, life goes on, just it will have to go on without Samsung and LG, but again, life goes on. |
Have you ever taken an economics class? |
You shouldn't believe everything they tell you in school. I took a few courses on Economics but it was a bunch of shit. Ex Wall Street dopes standing in the front of the room trying to sound like they knew what they were talking about, trying to get you to buy their book and so on. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just curious.....how would pulling out of Germany be disastrous? Will another Third Reich rise in our absence?
Screw Korea. We don't owe them anything. We could use those billions to invest in our own country. We should make our own song....F'ing Korea. My brother even has a recording studio. |
I meant invading Iran would be disasterous. Not pulling out of Germany. I lived in Frankfurt when it was in West Germany in the 1980's. My dad was stationed there. I went back to Germany two years ago and saw the area which we lived in. The entire base is gone, turned into apartments for the citizens. They didn't need us then, they certainly don't need us now.
Is your brother's studio here in Seoul? |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, yeah right. The South Korean military is pretty much as modern as any military in the world and after the initial shock would would be able to rip apart the Norks. |
You completely ignore the fighting spirit of the North Koreans. They are much harder than their southern counterparts in just about every way imaginable. They are much hungrier for a conflict too. With all the material wealth the floppy haired southern men have been exposed to, not to mention a decade of concilatory policies to their northern brethren, they are much less inclined to fight. |
It doesn't matter. Maybe if we invaded the north in order to occupy it indefinitely we'd have to contend with the same kind of guerrilla tactics as elsewhere, and that could be challenging (though maybe not if you just let the south take care of it after we bombed the f-ck out of it). But in any pitched battles anywhere the norks would get decimated, just like shooting fish in a barrel. Three words: complete air superiority. |
I agree. In any pitched battle the U.S. has fought since the build up of the military under Reagan in the 80s, there have been no contests, anywhere, complete decimation of the enemy.
If the army on the ground is vulnerable to air assault, they've been pummeled. Remember the road of death?
However, in *political* warfare, where the U.S. has to subdue/govern/manage a hostile native population in urban warfare, where air power can't be exploited and you have door to door fighting, the U.S. has been much less effective.
Simply because "blowing things up" in that contest doesn't get the job done. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Haha, yeah right. The South Korean military is pretty much as modern as any military in the world and after the initial shock would would be able to rip apart the Norks. |
You completely ignore the fighting spirit of the North Koreans. They are much harder than their southern counterparts in just about every way imaginable. They are much hungrier for a conflict too. With all the material wealth the floppy haired southern men have been exposed to, not to mention a decade of concilatory policies to their northern brethren, they are much less inclined to fight. |
So you think North Korea could take over without much of a fight? As I said before, yeah right. You also seem to forget the ruthless reputation of the Korean marines. Battle hardened they are. Could North Korea put up a fight, probably for a while. Could they take over? NEVER. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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By default. Most teachers I meet aren't here by first, second or even third choice. They are here because their own countries do not provide adequate opportunities for them. The reason Korea has the means by which to provide this 'opportunity' is because they copied our technology, our automobile manufacturing, and then, while limiting their imports, export our technology right back to us while sucker Americans bear the burden of over 50 years of their 'defense.'
If the the US wasn't building an Empire and butting into the lives of Americans with confiscatory taxes to build this empire, unnecessary regulations to control every aspect of American's lives, allowing a private central bank to print a depreciating and an illegal fiat currency, allowing excessive immigration, outsourcing, globalization, not protecting our borders, ad infinitum, we wouldn't be here 'teaching' Koreans English so they can improve their lot economically. We'd be home improving our own lot economically.
As far as providing you with a history lesson, you'll have to do that on your own. Lazy intellectuals like to be spoon fed.
For 'shits and giggles' start with the Ben Freedman audio. |
You dodged the question, mate.
I'll give you another opportunity. Why is it you have the opportunity to teach in Korea?
As far as the "lazy intellectual" comment, well........if you feel you need to throw insults to better your argument.......by all means, go ahead. Whatever you need to do to provide misdirection, get er doooooone.
Yes, I do agree that America has upheld a high cost for Korea (and many others, which I'm sure that if you admitted to, would really go against your arugement.......fair enough) and people in the U.S. don't really know how much has happened, is happening and could potentially happen over there. But, that is one brilliant thing about America...........sacrafice.
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| It wouldn't be. Germany is the strongest European economy and could well afford their own defense. And who do they need defending from? LMFHO |
America is NOT DEFENDING Germany. America is there to keep stability within the region and to keep Germany in check.
Hell, at leat America act according to biblical times................whipe out every single last man, woman and child.
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| My "own kind"? What? HUMANkind IS my own kind. |
Really, then why not go live in Zimbabwe? Or Malawi? Or Sudan? Or East LA or Watts in Southern California? Or Pakistan.
That is a ridiculous statement and evidence of brainwashing.
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| America is there to keep stability within the region and to keep Germany in check. |
Who's going to keep the US in check? Now we have a World Cop that practices rendition, torture, preemptive attacks, has abolished habeas corpus, attacks its own citizens - 9/11 - is attacking an imaginary enemy - Al Qaeda - conducting a bogus 'war on terror - and is stationed in over 700 military bases spread out over the world to "keep stability?"
LMFHO
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| You dodged the question, mate. |
I did?
I thought this pretty well answered your question:
The reason Korea has the means by which to provide this 'opportunity' is because they copied our technology, our automobile manufacturing, and then, while limiting their imports, export our technology right back to us while sucker Americans bear the burden of over 50 years of their 'defense.'
Speaking of lazy intellectualism Did you discover why the US entered WWI?
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dmbfan
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My "own kind"? What? HUMANkind IS my own kind.
Really, then why not go live in Zimbabwe? Or Malawi? Or Sudan? Or East LA or Watts in Southern California? |
Probably for the same reasons you won't.
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America is there to keep stability within the region and to keep Germany in check.
Who's going to keep the US in check? Now we have a World Cop that practices rendition, torture, preemptive attacks, has abolished habeas corpus, attacks its own citizens - 9/11 - is attacking an imaginary enemy - Al Qaeda - conducting a bogus 'war on terror - and is stationed in over 700 military bases spread out over the world to "keep stability?" |
1. You like to answer questions with a question, don't you?
2. Provide some facts to your "700 military bases" around the world.
3. A bogus war on terror and an imaginary enemy?
You are so full of shite, I'm not sure what to say to you. You sound like "Mr. Sensitive Pony Tail Guy", with the long, black turtle neck speaking things as if it were truth...........only in attempt to get laid.
Again, you have dodged the question of why you are able to have the opportunity to teach in Korea.
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