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| You just arrived in Korea and will have no apartment for more than a week even though you will already be working, what do you do? |
| Demand money to find your own stay at a hotel nearby |
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| Would be okay with staying at a love hotel or motel for more than a week |
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| Ask for immediate repayment of the flight there and quit |
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| Ask for proof of a signed lease agreement for the supposedly found apartment and demand to know the EXACT date of move-in. |
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| I have an F-4, and I'm already in Korea. Start posting my resume and find a recruiter and QUIT. |
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tigerbluekitty
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Yes, but teaching privates is not exactly steady income. |
It can be if you take the necessary steps, like setting up a steady schedule and requiring the student to cancel 24hr in advance or no refund. I've had quite a few privates in Japan, they didn't cancel that much. 80-90% of scheduled lessons I was able to teach. I also purposely created situations where it was hard for the students to cancel (yeah, I'm sneaky like that). ^^
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Only the ones that hated working there. |
My asian friend purposely wanted to work in Tokyo, except in Tokyo he wasn't able to land a postition there. So what he did was interview for Nova, got placed in Niigata. After a month of checking out Niigata, he ran off and got himself a job up in Saitama. He didn't necessarily hate working at Nova, I think he would've been willing to work his ass off at Nova if they would hire him at the Tokyo branch.
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| No one else would ever hire him once they got a look at his visa. "Why did you quit after only a couple weeks? You can't be trusted." |
Not true. It all depends on the interviewer and location/situation of the school. There are plenty of runaways in Japan who find replacement jobs.
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livinseoul
Joined: 28 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
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| I think it was a big mistake to pay for your own ticket when most employers would've paid for your ticket. As for the motel, as long as it's livable and your employer is paying for it, I don't think it's that big of a deal. |
You are joking! Its a massive big deal! They have brought this teacher over 10000 miles and they haven't sorted the accomodation! What does it say about how the next year is going pan out? Would you swap places? I bloody well wouldn't.
The first one who would get the good news is the septic prat who advertised the job as a good gig! He would get it with both barrels and a right hander if he became lippy.
I don't know what your money situation is at the moment but you need to pull a 'bejarano' on the prat which involves saving enough money until one day your boss gives you shit for no reason and you ask them do they know how far Incheon airport is from where you are both standing.
When they reply '?' with a worried look then you say 'if you don't behave I'll be there by 9pm tonight' (as it was in my case) of course they will save face by blustering and making hollow threats but then you just follow through by walking out - by then they will have followed through in their underpants. 
Go home - apply for a new E2 visa and come back to a public school 3 months later!  (Will be an official announcment next week!) |
It wouldn't surprise me if YOUR employer offered to drive you there. |
Spliff,
I'll be working at Guseong middle school in Yongin - come when you are ready son!  |
Nice one bejarano-korea |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| Talk to a foreign teacher already there. |
I think most foreign teachers would be too timid to say stay away from this hagwon because of this or that. They have to worry about their jobs and getting paid their end of contract bonus. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| If he doesn't pay your airfare, I think if you go in there with a bunch of shirtless dudes in gimp masks or ski masks, I bet he would pay just to keep the kids' mothers from seeing that embarrassing shit again. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| OP overreacted. Plain and simple. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Re: 3rd day in Korea and ALREADY SCREWED over by hagwon LIES |
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| From speaking with the other teachers, all male by the way, they told me time and time again that I was not going to get screwed. |
They wanted to get a warm body to fill the vacancy so they wouldn't have to cover your classes. |
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mmarshalynne
Joined: 23 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Overreacting? |
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loose_ends wrote:
"OP overreacted. Plain and simple."
A teacher travels across the world based on contractual representations of a hagwon owner that 1) your airline ticket will be paid for as soon as you get there; and 2) that they have an apartment waiting for you, and 3) that they are going to pay you a certain amount of dollars.
When you get there and ask for your ticket money, the hogwan owner acts like what are you talking about. They he tells you they don't have an apartment, but will locate you in a nearby hotel, and then puts you in a hotel a long distance from the hogwan. (Why, if not to get cheaper accommodations?)
Your advice -- don't over react, its no big deal. Go ahead and just accept the circumstances and trust that sometime they will have the integrity and money to come through with the ticket money and apartment.
The problem is what were talking about is lack of trust, integrity and character. People tend to act pretty consistently. If they will screw you once, and you act like its not a big deal, then you just gave them permission to do it again. Psychologies 101, if you reward bad behavior, count on it happening again. Even a nice person will start to take advantage of the proverbial doormat.
At the end of the year when that hogwan owner was supposed to pay peachlilly's last month's salary, her return ticket home, and severance pay, I am sure she would have been stuck again. I wouldn't bet $7,000 that she would get paid that money, and wouldn't advise her to bet $7,000 that she could trust this hogwan owner either. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| It's going to be fun reading peachlilly's posts this next year! |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| tigerbluekitty wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
Yes, but teaching privates is not exactly steady income. |
It can be if you take the necessary steps, like setting up a steady schedule and requiring the student to cancel 24hr in advance or no refund. I've had quite a few privates in Japan, they didn't cancel that much. 80-90% of scheduled lessons I was able to teach. I also purposely created situations where it was hard for the students to cancel (yeah, I'm sneaky like that). ^^ |
But to get a decent number of people to make privates worthwhile, you need a decent-sized network. Gone are the days of just knocking on doors and getting students simply by being in their neightbourhood. Newbs don't have any networks yet to take advantage of.
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Only the ones that hated working there. |
My asian friend purposely wanted to work in Tokyo, except in Tokyo he wasn't able to land a postition there. So what he did was interview for Nova, got placed in Niigata. After a month of checking out Niigata, he ran off and got himself a job up in Saitama. He didn't necessarily hate working at Nova, I think he would've been willing to work his ass off at Nova if they would hire him at the Tokyo branch. |
I had a friend do the same thing, except the part about checking the original place out. He got his visa and just bolted for "private lesson paradise". Had no network to gather students from, was going broke quickly and started for an eikawa position. No one would take him because he bolted from the first job. He was back here a month after that.
Moral of the story: If you're going to bolt on your Japanese employer because you only needed him to sponsor your initial visa, at least put a smidgen of time into it. You can't count on things going the way it did for your friend. It may very well go that way, but it's far better to plan for the worst while hoping for the best. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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Why can't you just sign a new contract with a new school and have them reimburse you for the airfare. I bet alot of schools would be quick to hire since you are already in Korea.
I got screwed before even leaving Korea and all the costs that I accumulated in going to the consolate which was $400 was reimbursed by my new hagwon and my old hagwon since my old contract fell through. They actually wired me money for my flight to the consulate and my new hagwon is paying for taxi and courier services.
I would just think many schools would be apt to hire you ASAP and would pay the airfare since they would have to with any new teacher. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| livinseoul wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| I think it was a big mistake to pay for your own ticket when most employers would've paid for your ticket. As for the motel, as long as it's livable and your employer is paying for it, I don't think it's that big of a deal. |
You are joking! Its a massive big deal! They have brought this teacher over 10000 miles and they haven't sorted the accomodation! What does it say about how the next year is going pan out? Would you swap places? I bloody well wouldn't.
The first one who would get the good news is the septic prat who advertised the job as a good gig! He would get it with both barrels and a right hander if he became lippy.
I don't know what your money situation is at the moment but you need to pull a 'bejarano' on the prat which involves saving enough money until one day your boss gives you shit for no reason and you ask them do they know how far Incheon airport is from where you are both standing.
When they reply '?' with a worried look then you say 'if you don't behave I'll be there by 9pm tonight' (as it was in my case) of course they will save face by blustering and making hollow threats but then you just follow through by walking out - by then they will have followed through in their underpants.
Go home - apply for a new E2 visa and come back to a public school 3 months later! (Will be an official announcment next week!) |
It wouldn't surprise me if YOUR employer offered to drive you there. |
Spliff,
I'll be working at Guseong middle school in Yongin - come when you are ready son! |
Nice one bejarano-korea |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| ytuque wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| Talk to a foreign teacher already there. |
I think most foreign teachers would be too timid to say stay away from this hagwon because of this or that. They have to worry about their jobs and getting paid their end of contract bonus. |
That's why you ask to speak to FORMER teachers. Then you can ask why they left. Any school that refuses to let you talk to a former employee has something to hide. If they were a great place to work for, the ex-employee won't be bad mouthing them, so why "cockblock" you? |
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