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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: A water-powered car? Finally! |
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I read this article and got really excited just thinking about the economic, social, and political implications it will have all over the world. *shudders* I have dreamt for the day this would happen someday.
Petrol pricey? Japanese invent car that runs on water
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TOKYO (Reuters Life!) - Tired of petrol prices rising daily at the pump? A Japanese company has invented an electric-powered, and environmentally friendly, car that it says runs solely on water.
Genepax unveiled the car in the western city of Osaka on Thursday, saying that a liter (2.1 pints) of any kind of water -- rain, river or sea -- was all you needed to get the engine going for about an hour at a speed of 80 km (50 miles).
"The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water to top up from time to time," Genepax CEO Kiyoshi Hirasawa told local broadcaster TV Tokyo.
"It does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," he added.
Once the water is poured into the tank at the back of the car, the a generator breaks it down and uses it to create electrical power, TV Tokyo said.
Whether the car makes it into showrooms remains to be seen. Genepax said it had just applied for a patent and is hoping to collaborate with Japanese auto manufacturers in the future.
Most big automakers, meanwhile, are working on fuel-cell cars that run on hydrogen and emit -- not consume -- water.
(Writing by Chika Osaka, editing by Miral Fahmy and Chang-Ran Kim) |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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They already made that back in the 70's.
the inventor presented it at a car show. Ford motors bought the patent off him and the vehicle was never seen again. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
They already made that back in the 70's.
the inventor presented it at a car show. Ford motors bought the patent off him and the vehicle was never seen again. |
Interesting. I decided to follow up your claim with more research and it does look like there have been several attempts to bring such a thing to the fore, including the famous case of Stan Mayer and the various conspiracy theories surrounding his mysterious death. But there hasn't been anything conclusive yet. I guess it is going to be best to remain cautiously optimistic about this. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Cool. I hope they can produce it and get it out into the market.
If not, let's do a patent search, look at the designs and manufacture our own in our garage. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| It takes more energy to liberate hydrogen from water than you get burning it. Unless this scientist has done something amazing and figured out a way to coax hydrogen free of its very strong bond with the oxygen atom using less energy, this is simply a scam. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| It takes more energy to liberate hydrogen from water than you get burning it. Unless this scientist has done something amazing and figured out a way to coax hydrogen free of its very strong bond with the oxygen atom using less energy, this is simply a scam. |
What ever happened to the guys who claimed ot have perfected cold fusion? Debunked or did someone Silkwood their brakelines? |
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tigerbluekitty
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Positive news.
Glad some people are looking for solutions to this stupid 'fuel crisis'. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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There are two simple videos to watch on the same page of this news site. One shows the car, another demonstrates the fuel cell collecting hydrogen with electrolosis as the convertor.
http://wecanchangetheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/water-as-fuel-japanese-car-runs-on-water-salt-water-radio-waves-hydrogen-etc/
That fuel/car company say they have made changes to the known methods of the kind of electrolosis used to seperate the h from the o2 ...
However, I don't think the car combusts the hydrogen, rather the hydrogen charges a lead-acid battery that sits in the trunk. So, it's an electric car that uses hydrogen as it's power source. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| tigerbluekitty wrote: |
Positive news.
Glad some people are looking for solutions to this stupid 'fuel crisis'. |
Scamming people is not looking for a solution. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that the design has been ready for a water powered car for years, but one of the big oil companies bought all the rights to it, and are never going to release it.
Gotta love em
My old man works for one and I remember watching the news years ago, and the workers on a big oil ship (what they called again?) were smacking golf balls at demonstrators....It was pretty funny cos the protestors were proper white-dreadlocked smellies. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
There are two simple videos to watch on the same page of this news site. One shows the car, another demonstrates the fuel cell collecting hydrogen with electrolosis as the convertor.
http://wecanchangetheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/water-as-fuel-japanese-car-runs-on-water-salt-water-radio-waves-hydrogen-etc/
That fuel/car company say they have made changes to the known methods of the kind of electrolosis used to seperate the h from the o2 ...
However, I don't think the car combusts the hydrogen, rather the hydrogen charges a lead-acid battery that sits in the trunk. So, it's an electric car that uses hydrogen as it's power source. |
You realize electrolysis requires electricity? The electricity has to come from some where. You're saying the battery provides the electricity for the electrolysis. The freed hydrogen then not only returns all the electricity to the battery but also provides an excess enough to power a car.
That, I hope you understand, is an amazing, amazing claim. A huge claim. A revolution in physics. A claim someone backyard tinker claims he's discovered every six month. To wit, well, maybe. But then maybe the nth nigerian scammer to email you is actually what he claims.
Again, there is currently no known method for getting a surplus of energy out of hydrogen.
Yes we have fuel cell technology but that technology depends on a source of hydrogen. Fuel cell technology does not view hydrogen as a source of energy but as an energy carrier. A hydro electric dam produces a lot of electricity but there is no way to store that electricity easily. Batteries are very expensive. You have to use it or lose it. However, if you can use that electricity to create hydrogen, you can store the hydrogen and then use it to power a fuel cell. However, you expend more energy to make the hydrogen than the hydrogen will return. But we don't mind as much because you would rather not use big heavy batteries and you would rather not wire your car directly to a nuclear power plant or hydro electric dam.
And as one of the youtube commentator's comments, if you can power a car this way, why is he wasting time trying to sell this to a car company. You power whole cities with this technology. Scam scam scam. Has the inventor taken his home off the grid and powers his house? Sony would love to be able to power their factories using water.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
I heard that the design has been ready for a water powered car for years, but one of the big oil companies bought all the rights to it, and are never going to release it.
Gotta love em |
I heard too space aliens are in control of our government! And then there was the one about the woman who would smear peanut butter on her naughty bits and get her dog to lick it off and she came home and started to do this but then her friends were hiding in her basement for a surprise birthday party. And there's the one about...
Big Oil companies are publicly traded companies. Must be some line item in their budget about that. Any, umm, evidence? |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| And then there was the one about the woman who would smear peanut butter on her naughty bits and get her dog to lick it off. |
Don't be too sceptical. I saw a Japanese video with exactly that.
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention that there's far more profit in selling this than covering it up.
A car that runs on water must extract energy from it by moving the water to a lower energy state. No such state is known to exist. A car that runs on water is like a fireplace that burns ash.
I'd put my money on scammers over a completly new kind of physics. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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More precisely, it would have to break the laws of thermodynamics unless the explanation got completely screwed up.
I'll be placing my bets with Sir Issac on this one.
P.S.
We have another thread for this. |
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