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reimund
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:24 am Post subject: Tips on quitting a public school? |
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I've decided to quit my gig at a public school (GEPIK), and I was hoping to get some general tips on doing it in the most polite and logical way.
For one, I'm quitting because I'm having serious issues with the co-teacher. My intent is to just give my letter of resignation to the principal, and not mention it to the coworkers, until my last week or so at the school. The reason is I don't want the co-teacher to take my resignation personally, and thereby give her the chance to make the rest of my working days at the school a nightmare. On the other hand, the other co-teachers (with whom I have good/decent relationships with) might get upset for hiding the resignation from them for so long. So what's the best way to let everyone know?
Second, I'm not sure how I should handle the end date at this school and the start date at the next. It says in the GEPIK contract that I must give 60 days' notice. How flexible is this? Do I let the principal know I'm going to quit first, to see when my end date is, and then find a job? The problem with this, of course, is that I might not find the job I want within that time period, leaving me with either a job I don't want, or having to bum it at a relatives'.
Or do I find the job first, and hope that the principal will allow me to leave at same time as the start date of the next school? The problem here is, there are so many unknowns. The principal might not agree to an earlier leave, and if the job that I want needs someone ASAP, I'll be back in the first scenario (because at that point, the principal will know that I want to resign anyway).
With that said, I have two job interviews this week. If I get an offer, do I tell them that I'm only available 60 days from the day of letter of intent, or do I tell them that I can try to fix my end date?
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I just want to go through with this in the smoothest way possible. Any advice is appreciated, thanks. |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Location: Cloud #9
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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They have a form letter for you to sign that says how much you loved the job and the people you work with. I also have issues with my co-teacher, so I used the form letter as a basis and deleted the things I didn't agree with. My final letter looked like this:
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TO: WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
It is with regret that I wish to inform you of my resignation. As stipulated in my contract, I will now begin a notice period of 60 days, and so my final working day will be July 3rd, 2008.
Yours,
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As for keeping it secret, don't bother. If you give the letter to anybody other than your co-teacher, it will piss her off that you went over her head. She will find out within minutes of you handing it over.
I handed my resignation in at 8:30, and when I went for a smoke after first period (9:45), the janitors were asking me about it! |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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You will not be successful in keeping it secret. Your business will be everybody's business.
A secretary once asked what I was doing one weekend, and I told her I was going to coex mall. By Monday, everyone knew about it including the parents and asked if I liked coex mall. I find it surprising they find interest in something so minuscule. |
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aerialsimulacrum

Joined: 11 May 2008 Location: Space is the place
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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If only the Koreans would communicate with such Borg-like efficiency when it comes to work-related issues... |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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IF you give your 60 days notice you will get back your deposits, etc.
If you are on an E2, you may get a LOR.
IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
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reimund
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
I am in fact on an F4. Is this an implication that I can ignore the 60 days' notice and leave whenever I'd like, after finding the job I want? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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reimund wrote: |
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IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
I am in fact on an F4. Is this an implication that I can ignore the 60 days' notice and leave whenever I'd like, after finding the job I want? |
Yes, but be aware that you may have problems getting your "deposit" back if you do. |
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reimund
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
reimund wrote: |
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IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
I am in fact on an F4. Is this an implication that I can ignore the 60 days' notice and leave whenever I'd like, after finding the job I want? |
Yes, but be aware that you may have problems getting your "deposit" back if you do. |
Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't have much of a problem with that.
In this case, though, I should at least let the principal know that I found a job, and that I'll have x amount of weeks left over, right? Because otherwise, leaving without saying a word would constitute as a midnight runner? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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reimund wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
reimund wrote: |
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IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
I am in fact on an F4. Is this an implication that I can ignore the 60 days' notice and leave whenever I'd like, after finding the job I want? |
Yes, but be aware that you may have problems getting your "deposit" back if you do. |
Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't have much of a problem with that.
In this case, though, I should at least let the principal know that I found a job, and that I'll have x amount of weeks left over, right? Because otherwise, leaving without saying a word would constitute as a midnight runner? |
No, a midnight runner is someone on a EMPLOYER SPONSORED visa who just packs up in and leaves without saying anything. The employer finds out when he goes looking for his charge and finds the apartment empty.
You are (just about) like any other Korean when it comes to employment.
When you want to quit, say you quit and walk out the door. They will huff and puff but at the end of the day, you are at your new job and they are looking for a new employee to push around.
Oh, and don't tell them where your new job is. You don't need the hassle. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
reimund wrote: |
ttompatz wrote: |
reimund wrote: |
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IF you are on an "F" visa, don't pass up any better jobs. Quit at your convenience and move on. |
I am in fact on an F4. Is this an implication that I can ignore the 60 days' notice and leave whenever I'd like, after finding the job I want? |
Yes, but be aware that you may have problems getting your "deposit" back if you do. |
Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't have much of a problem with that.
In this case, though, I should at least let the principal know that I found a job, and that I'll have x amount of weeks left over, right? Because otherwise, leaving without saying a word would constitute as a midnight runner? |
No, a midnight runner is someone on a EMPLOYER SPONSORED visa who just packs up in and leaves without saying anything. The employer finds out when he goes looking for his charge and finds the apartment empty.
You are (just about) like any other Korean when it comes to employment.
When you want to quit, say you quit and walk out the door. They will huff and puff but at the end of the day, you are at your new job and they are looking for a new employee to push around.
Oh, and don't tell them where your new job is. You don't need the hassle. |
I did this exact thing as the OP. The school was cool with me leaving. Why not, I'm on an F Visa, they get to pocket my plane ride home AND my severance. Principal signed a great letter or recommendation and I thought everything was great. A couple months later, I find out my Principal was telling the schools in my district I pulled a midnight runner. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and don't tell them where your new job is. You don't need the hassle. |
This is an important advice. Don't even think about telling your principal or anyone where your new job is.
If they ask, just say you have a better job. Repeat your answer if they insist on knowing where. |
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reimund
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I have a couple more questions. Is it a bad idea to tell future recruiters/employers in interviews that I'm breaking a contract with this school? Because of issues with my co-teacher?
For a while I thought the benefits of showing some teaching experience, even though it's only 3+ months, and being honest about my co-teacher issues would outweigh the negatives of showing absolutely no teaching experience and being dishonest (I'd have to explain why I was in Korea since December). But after a couple of interviews, I'm starting to have second thoughts. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Just say something like "It was a bad fit" and then go on about how excited you are to have the chance to work at the school you are interviewing at. |
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reimund
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Well, I did a bit of thinking, and after speaking with some personal friends of mine, I've decided against quitting and walking out the door the same day. I've made some personal connections at the school, and they'd undoubtedly get hurt if I did this.
So, I definitely want to give some notice to my principal. This brings up logistical issues, which I brought up in my OP. Do I turn in my notice now, and hope that I'll find a job that starts at my end date here?
Or do I look for jobs with a start date of "2 months from now" and hope that there are actually employers who hire 2 months in advance?
I'm just trying to understand what will maximize my chances of finding the better job, basically. The second options seems to be the most logical, since I can just wait until the right job comes around, but how many schools look for teachers 2 months in advance, really? And I'm definitely not in favor of potentially staying at the school longer. But with the first option, I'll have a set leaving date, making it much easier for me to match starting dates with future employers. What's the better option? |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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It will not take you 2 months to get another school - especially from in country - So I would not have any fear in giving the required amount of notice - and then using your actual availability date to tell potential employers when you will be available. Two things will happen you may be offered some jobs which are available before you are (some of which may be prepared to wait until you are, some who won't) and as you get closer to your actual availability date you will probably find that more jobs are available to you. You are right in thinking that 2 months out is a relatively long time frame for jobs in Korea but getting a job and then giving notice - is I think likely to make it much harder to get a job - as as you do want to give the correct amount of notice - you would then need to say that you are not available for 2 months - so may well end up losing potential good job offers. I expect that when you reach the 1 month mark you will start to get more job offers. In your position I would give notice and then start looking for a job. |
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