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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: How do you think they'll take this??? |
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The other day I went to an open class with my co-teacher.
Today I drew up a picture of what I'd like the English Lab to look like.
I downloaded and photocopied the documents from GEPIK saying they
want classes split over 23 students (I have 40 per class).
I am going to write up a mock schedule, showing how I think the classes should be divided. It actually adds 4 classes to my current schedule. (bumps me from 15 to 19). Since I spend most of my time bored out of my gourd, I really don't mind having extra classes.
So my question is this... how do you think this will be recieved? I'm making extra work for my co-workers (and myself). But... I've put together all this stuff, and I don't want it to seem like I'm attacking the school or them. In the west, having all your documents in order before a meeting is polite and impressive. Do you think it'll be rude and agressive here? |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious where in Pocheon or which school you're at since I'm in the Pocheon area myself
Did they ask for your input? I'd wait til they approach me first. |
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TeeBee
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, a little off topic, but that makes three of us in Pocheon. Anyone have plans to attend an open lesson tomorrow? That would be mine. |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| You know I used to attend open classes and whatnot. Now with my new ct, hahahha yeah right. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm honestly not being cynical, but in my experience any effort to draw up improvements to schedules or any other major changes directed at improving an already entrenched system will be greeted with smiles, OKs, and then an uncomfortable silence, followed by either a polite no or no answer whatsoever.
Maybe others have had differing experiences. |
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rhinocharge64
Joined: 20 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I concurr with air76!! In my considerable experience I've never been listened to once, despite a teaching background from home. I follow the mantle because I no longer get stressed, teach few hrs, and have accepted their shortcomings will never be improved by yours truly. However, it does explain why the ed. system continues to churn out poor results, when they don't want to share and incorporate my ideas and methodolgy. |
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agoodmouse

Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Location: Anyang
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: How do you think they'll take this??? |
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| Cerriowen wrote: |
The other day I went to an open class with my co-teacher.
Today I drew up a picture of what I'd like the English Lab to look like.
I downloaded and photocopied the documents from GEPIK saying they
want classes split over 23 students (I have 40 per class).
I am going to write up a mock schedule, showing how I think the classes should be divided. It actually adds 4 classes to my current schedule. (bumps me from 15 to 19). Since I spend most of my time bored out of my gourd, I really don't mind having extra classes.
So my question is this... how do you think this will be recieved? I'm making extra work for my co-workers (and myself). But... I've put together all this stuff, and I don't want it to seem like I'm attacking the school or them. In the west, having all your documents in order before a meeting is polite and impressive. Do you think it'll be rude and agressive here? |
Wait, so your colleagues haven't brought up the class splitting proposal, but you are, and printing off the documents to show them?
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| So my question is this... how do you think this will be recieved? I'm making extra work for my co-workers (and myself). But... I've put together all this stuff, and I don't want it to seem like I'm attacking the school or them. In the west, having all your documents in order before a meeting is polite and impressive. Do you think it'll be rude and agressive here? |
Yes, and yes. The fact that this proposal for transforming English classes into smaller groups has been out for many months, and hasn't been mentioned to you, speaks for itself.
I was made aware of the split classes proposal a good while back, but the liberal arts chief, whom I'm very good friends with, and I decided it would be a waste of time because:
1. Many of the Korean English teachers have never taught their classes in English and and most homeroom cohorts have at least two students fluent in English (see Korean culture, also 'losing face').
2. We feared the classes wouldn't be student-centered, falling into the a high teacher-talk situation.
3. Our chief felt highly circumspect about our Korean English teachers using English for an entire class. That is, speak in Korean, like Korean English teachers are wont to. |
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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Well I went ahead and did it...
I talked to my friend co-worker, and explained the pros and cons and asked her what she thought. She agreed and said she thought it was a great idea, but I'd have to get the agreement of all the teachers.
So I went to the oldest english teacher, and since I already split his class and only do 20 minutes with them, he said he doesn't care one way or another what I do, but he wants to keep the class split because they're demons.
I went to the difficult teacher last, (after my friend co-worker talked to her)... and gave her my "sales pitch" including the pros and cons and asked for her suggestions. I mentioned that Wendy and the other guy really like it, and I want to find out everyone's opinion and find out all possible problems before talking to the principle about it. I also sympathized that this would put more work on her, since she'll have to (actually get off her damn ass and) teach more hours per week.
I think she agrees that it's better for the kids but she's a lazy behotch, and doesn't want extra work. Fortunately she's the most junior, and younger than I am... so maybe I can cow her into agreement.
Who knows. I'll keep ya posted. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Cerriowen wrote: |
I think she agrees that it's better for the kids but she's a lazy behotch, and doesn't want extra work. Fortunately she's the most junior, and younger than I am... so maybe I can cow her into agreement.
Who knows. I'll keep ya posted. |
Put some pressure on her. She's the youngest and the junior. Say things like, "All the other teachers agreed. The oldest/head teacher said this is alright. You are the last person I'm asking, and if you say no, everyone will know it was you who didn't like the idea." |
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