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rocklee · Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul

JustJohn, I agree with a lot of your points about Linux and I am liking its progress a lot more than I used to back in the days when Redhat had an Ubuntu moment. The problem is that the Linux community has too many philosophers and not enough developers. Sure there are developers for it but none so willing to stick with the one idea of an OS that works, is stable, easy to configure and most importantly has plenty of applications and games to take advantage of the hardware. Linux should actually achieve better benchmark scores than Windows, but we're dealing with a rouge network of Unix buttheads still stuck in the proverbial world of CLI, and has trouble listening to normal people.

We should not need to be using the CLI ever.

The only time I've ever seen Linux as a success story on a computer was on the Asus EEE. That thing just worked and had all the applications a newbie user could want.

Now I don't have any complaints about Windows 2000, XP or Vista mainly because I never had to pay for them. They'll either come with the computer or I simple get them for free. I can understand the feeling of having to pay $200-$400 for a piece of software that will not completely satisfy your every need, I'd feel ripped off too. That's why I never buy any software because a free version would just be around the corner (Open Office/KOffice/Star Office > MS Office). Ok star office isn't free but its still cheaper than Microsoft. And most consumers don't know about OEM software because the software companies want you to buy the retail versions and the middlemen PC distributors want you to buy their computers.

Hopefully the 3D desktops is a start for many things to come on Linux. And speaking of eye candy, I prefer Linux over Windows any day. The best that Windows can do is change the borders to become transparent, big woopeedoo, stuff I could do in HTML. The ALT-TAB is really useless and the screensavers are some of the worst I've seen. I have a proper 3Dmatrix screensaver running on my Asus. What else is there..Microsoft still insist on stacking applications on their taskbars like if it was still 2001. Yes you can get software to change the appearance and user interface but its putting extra bloat on top of bloat. Kind of like wearing a boring looking wetsuit and putting over a nice t-shirt to look better.

I'm actually studying on linux development because of LAMP and if the techology becomes a viable solution of changing the way our desktops works then I'm definitely making the switch.

JustJohn · Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen

I suppose I more or less agree with that. I still say the devs deserve a little more credit than you think. My only real complaint is that there are so many branches that they sometimes suck dev power that could be moving some distros forward even faster.

I also think the CLI has a place for certain functions, and you'll notice it's not completely absent from windows either. What do you do when you want to ping an ip? What do you do when you want to trim your start up list? The bigger linux distros are getting fairly close to that minimalist amount of CLI use.

And while lamp setups are the obvious way to go for servers, I don't see that they have much bearing on the consumer desktop market.

rabies.kills · Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Location: Anyang, Gyeonggi-do, Seoul

QUICK, SOMEBODY TAG ME IN!

Wow, you guys are fighting fierce. Having run both Linux and Windows on dual-boot systems and exclusively, I have some comments.

The only argument I think I've heard here that I agree with is a common one on every Linux forum out there: and that's that there are few games on Linux.

But I don't play games, so it's a moot point with me. I recently bought a Lenovo X61 tablet pre-installed with Vista Home Premium, and dear God, coming from XP, it was like running on dry land and then dropping into a swamp. The damned thing takes 3 minutes to boot to login, and another 5 for all the start-up programs to get going. And it has a lot of them. Most of them are Lenovo's start-up patches to Vista.

Hands-down, in all areas save games, XP stomps the holy hell out of Vista.

After I got the tablet, I ran Ubuntu on it, and while I had to do a little bit of configuring (all available from a Wiki exclusively for thinkpads) to get the tablet features running properly, and I can honestly say that there was absolutely nothing Vista did that Ubuntu did not do better. Resource management, which shouldn't be a problem for the default OS of a brand-new pretty top of the line system, is Vista's big BIG problem. Everything lags. And that's a problem when you're using a tablet and it takes time just for your computer to recognize that the pen is near the screen. And resource management is something Linux has down pat. They've had it down pat for years--a consequence of thinking about the machines your OS is going to be put on.

Oh, sorry, there is ONE single thing that I credit Vista for, and that's the handwriting recognition--the only thing Linux just doesn't have yet.

I've run Linux exclusively on two machines, and the only significant problem I've encountered is when downloading the occasional non-functioning open source program. But for every broken O-S program out there, there are probably billions more than work correctly. And if I wanted to buy software (what? buy software? is that even legal anymore?), there's lots out there that's compatible with Linux. But who the hell wants to buy software? Especially when it's SO easy to just click Applications-->Add/Remove Programs--> and you can search for software solutions that have all been tried and tested with your distribution.

The guy with the batman picture (whatever his name is) talks about Vista like it's the end-all OS, and it's crap. I've heard some good things about Ultimate, but why should I have to download a cracked version of a crappy OS (thus compounding the issues my computer will have) when there are a billion distros out there free of charge, with an internet community full of IT hippies who are helpful, cheerful and knowledgeable.

Anyway, tag me out.

rocklee · Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul

IT hippies, I like that.

RoyBatty · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Location: NYC

Mac OSX FTW!

rabies.kills · Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Location: Anyang, Gyeonggi-do, Seoul

Hardy Heron FTL! Very Happy

Zutronius · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Location: Suncheon

itaewonguy · Joined: 25 Mar 2003

Linux is what BETAMAX was to VHS!
preferred by professionals .. but frankly Microsoft is far better..

rocklee · Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul

Horangi Munshin · Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan

thorin · Joined: 14 Apr 2003

Linux/BSD are fun to play with, OS X is nice to look at, but I find I'm more productive with Windows. BTW anyone who's using vanilla Ubuntu obviously didn't get the memo about Linux Mint:

i4NI · Joined: 17 May 2008 Location: Seoul

Unless I need to do some programming, I really never had any use for linux period. Ubuntu has made linux better, but the software I mainly want to use is written for windows. Not to mention if I want to do programming now a days I just use eclipse and netbeans for windows.

There's 0 reason for me to use linux other than to try to be some nerd 3lite on the internet who hates windows. I'm not a huge fan of vista, but i'll take it over linux any day.

Demophobe · Joined: 17 May 2004

Chew on this you *.nix/Mac loving freaks...

Say goodbye to one of your favorite delusions.