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drkalbi

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: Who founded Canada? |
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Canadians split on origins of Canada: survey
OTTAWA (AFP) - Canadians are divided on the origins of Canada with most French-speakers crediting France's 1534 discovery of the country, and English-speakers citing later British colonization, a poll showed Monday.
The thorny issue is further muddied by citizens whose first language is neither French nor English -- known in Canada as allophones -- and who are apt to recognize aboriginals as its founders.
The findings show "an important degree of divergence" on national identity, said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Association for Canadian Studies, in the report.
The group commissioned the Leger Marketing poll ahead of celebrations for the 400th anniversary of Quebec City, which have sparked prickly debates about what the seminal event represents.
According to the poll, 67 percent of French-speaking respondents believe the French founded Canada, pointing to French explorer Jacques Cartier, who gave Canada its name, or the founding of New France in the 17th century.
In contrast, 57 percent of English-speakers say the British founded Canada, noting the British conquest of Canada in the mid-18th century, or the Confederation process of bringing together the colonies from 1867.
Meanwhile 61 percent of allophones named natives as Canada's founders.
Cartier was the first European to land on the shores of St. Lawrence River in eastern Canada.
He is said to have mistaken the Iroquoi word "kanata", meaning village, for the name used to describe this vast continent, and the name began appearing on European maps.
Alternately, some say the founding of Quebec City in 1608 by French explorer Samuel de Champlain marked Canada's beginnings.
The city, set up during the early days of the fur trade, was once the center of New France, a colony that covered almost half of what is now Canada and the United States.
However, recent statements by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Governor General Michaelle Jean casting Quebec City's founding as a key moment in Canadian nation-building have riled Quebec separatists who view its anniversary as a reminder of early attempts to build a French state on this continent.
The survey of 1,500 Canadians was conducted from May 21 to 25 with a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Does it really matter? Its not like Canada is a real country anyway. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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saw6436 wrote: |
Does it really matter? Its not like Canada is a real country anyway. |
Why don't you go f!ck yourself douchbag. Where are you from a-hole? Have you ever even been out of your own country or korea? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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france. hands down winner, if you're talking about "first foreign people there".
england, if you're talking about who won the war and then made it a popular "let's get the sam-hell out of europe ASAP" spot for a great deal of its poor unwashed.
who will run canada in 100 years? is a better question. USA? China? |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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If the question is first foreign people, surely the Vikings would have it, having colonized the northern tip of Newfoundland about a thousand years ago. The colony didn't last, mind you. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone remember that group of people known as indians? |
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Imrahil

Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Location: On the other side of the world.
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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ThePoet wrote: |
Does anyone remember that group of people known as indians? |
Indians??? They arrived form India about 100 years ago. In Canada we use the terms "Native Americans" or Aboriginals." |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Imrahil wrote: |
ThePoet wrote: |
Does anyone remember that group of people known as indians? |
Indians??? They arrived form India about 100 years ago. In Canada we use the terms "Native Americans" or Aboriginals." |
We do? I thought Aboriginals were the first people of Australia. I thought Canada's first people were called "First Nations people", or Natives, or Inuit in the north. |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to give it the Frenchies. |
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rD.NaTas
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Location: changwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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duh , the frikin aliens and atlanteans |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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There was no "Canada" when it was just Natives. Yes, they has something cool going on and we should always be nice to them since we stole their land, but really, "Canada" and Aboriginal tribes are quite different things.
Don't think we should conisder the Vikings as they packed up and left.
Canada was founded by the French.
Canada was developed by the French and English.
Canada was made great by all immigrants. Except those damn Dutch!!  |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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As an anglo from Canada, I would have to give it to the French hands down. Although, the British are the ones who united and developed the country. |
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ciccone_youth

Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Jack Jedwad, the guy interview in the article, was my Canadian Studies prof. at McGill. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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ajgeddes wrote: |
As an anglo from Canada, I would have to give it to the French hands down. Although, the British are the ones who united and developed the country. |
at the point where they were uniting the country, did those people really identify as brits anymore?
i mean - many a canadian douchebag will pipe up in a bar 'oh yeah? well we burned down the white house in 1812' (and fail to mention why we neglected to hold the position for any length of time and went home shortly after) but really it was british troops. but were they british troops? red uniforms maybe, but i'd argue they didn't identify as british.
i really wonder when canadian identity really crystallized, because it's such a weird phenomenon. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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uberscheisse wrote: |
ajgeddes wrote: |
As an anglo from Canada, I would have to give it to the French hands down. Although, the British are the ones who united and developed the country. |
at the point where they were uniting the country, did those people really identify as brits anymore?
i mean - many a canadian douchebag will pipe up in a bar 'oh yeah? well we burned down the white house in 1812' (and fail to mention why we neglected to hold the position for any length of time and went home shortly after) but really it was british troops. but were they british troops? red uniforms maybe, but i'd argue they didn't identify as british.
i really wonder when canadian identity really crystallized, because it's such a weird phenomenon. |
I'd say up to about WWI most Canadian considered themselves British subjects. Not the Frenchies, of course. |
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