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superdave

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: over there ----->
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Stevie_B wrote: |
And Superdave - shove it, you sanctimonious *beep*. |
thank you for your words of wisdom mate ... i'd rather be sanctimonious than as rude as you clearly seem to be!
thanks for proving my point. |
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DrunkenMaster

Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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superdave wrote: |
Oh, and great to see eslcafe living up to its usual standards. a topic about matt being attacked turns into a trollfest of racism, arrogance and ignorance from foreigners who live in ROK cause they cant survive in their own countries.[/b] |
I'm in the USA, where I was born and raised. Where are you?
Why wouldn't I say that the police in Seoul don't do anything about assaults or even file reports when that's been my actual experience on the matter?
SamD and I have actually been harrassed by the same nutter that I mentioned earlier in this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=112417&highlight=mississippi |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Location: 1987 Subaru
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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We all know that there is more than one face to this board, this country, even most of us. Each of us can improve personally, in what we offer this board and what we offer Korea, through our speech, actions and behaviour.
When the word "retarded" is used as a pejorative term it indicates a very real lack of humility and understanding. Give it some thought, perhaps if it were something that you had experienced in your family or closer to you... It is not acceptable amongst educated individuals to continually make the callous error of using the term thusly.
A visit to the Korean War Memorial in Pusan insists that one acknowledge that men and women from numerous countries suffered great hardships, risked life and limb and died here during that war... Let's consider that we might choose to respect their sacrifice today.
Now that we've thankfully heard what actually occurred in this attack, we can consider how to best protect ourselves or others should a similar situation develop. Thanks to Kherald for that much needed clarity. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Lunar Groove Gardener wrote: |
Now that we've thankfully heard what actually occurred in this attack, we can consider how to best protect ourselves or others should a similar situation develop. |
This might help.  |
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Seoul_Star

Joined: 04 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Hongdae is rapidly becoming what Itaewon used to be, while Itaewon is coming full circle and cleaning up slowly. It's actually amazing how far Hongdae has slid down the slippery slope of sleaze in just the last two years. |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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What's the lesson from all of this?
If someone threatens to kill you, that's when it's time to either get out of there or beat his a$$.
I'm not trying to disrespect the guy who got stabbed at all. But if some guys in a park are sitting there saying they're gonna kill me. That's right about when I would be grabbing a tree branch, a huge rock or something else and getting ready to beat the sh!t outta somebody. Or, I would be leaving immediately. But there is nooooooooo way I would just sit there hoping that nothing is gonna really happen.
There's a lot of people out there who have never been in a fight in their lives, and it shows in their hesitation to react when it's needed. I see a lot of pacifism, or maybe it's a fear of fighting, or a fear of breaking the law, whatever it is, it's not wise. If you're a grown man, fighting is the law of the jungle.
The best defense is a good offense. A good fist to the jaw would have been good in this situation. Or maybe a rock thrown at the dudes head, or a big tree branch swung into his temple. |
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Big4Jerm3
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
What's the lesson from all of this?
If someone threatens to kill you, that's when it's time to either get out of there or beat his a$$.
I'm not trying to disrespect the guy who got stabbed at all. But if some guys in a park are sitting there saying they're gonna kill me. That's right about when I would be grabbing a tree branch, a huge rock or something else and getting ready to beat the sh!t outta somebody. Or, I would be leaving immediately. But there is nooooooooo way I would just sit there hoping that nothing is gonna really happen.
There's a lot of people out there who have never been in a fight in their lives, and it shows in their hesitation to react when it's needed. I see a lot of pacifism, or maybe it's a fear of fighting, or a fear of breaking the law, whatever it is, it's not wise. If you're a grown man, fighting is the law of the jungle.
The best defense is a good offense. A good fist to the jaw would have been good in this situation. Or maybe a rock thrown at the dudes head, or a big tree branch swung into his temple. |
You're correct! Here is an instructional video to assist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y[/url]
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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has anyone been in a similar situation to that?
To give real authentic advice?
I was walking to my car late one night. Two apparently ok guys casually asked for directions..
The moment I had said a couple words in reply one of them punched me to the head pretty hard and kept following up. I was only a couple meters from my car and just jumped in and locked the door in about a split second and spun out of there .
Basically i was set upon by 2 guys, bigger than myself, totally out of the blue..while drunk.
bizarre.
All the other ones involve me not being outnumbered or taken by surprise..so not relevant here.
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Big4Jerm3
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Matt Lamers, Editor of Korea Herald's Expat Page, Stabbe |
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wanamin wrote: |
Big4Jerm3 wrote: |
You sir, are an idiot! Here are some FACTS for your naive mind. Houston, TX Violent Crime Rate 2006:
Murders 379 or 1.04 PER DAY
Reported Rapes 854 or 2.34 PER DAY
Robberies 11371 or 31.2 PER DAY
Aggravated Assault 11648 or 31.9 PER DAY
Please wake up and smell the coffee. Actually, it is far above the 'norm' in most large cities like Houston. In Houston there are roughly 32 aggravated assaults per day (same classification as the assault the OP posted). Keep in mind that Houston is a city of 2 million. You can multiply most large Korean city's populations by 10 and not be at the same crime rate as much smaller US cities. Thank you........
source- http://houston.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm |
While the murder and robbery rates are higher (due to everyone in Texas owning a gun)...
Sexual violence is a BIG problem here.
The REPORTED numbers might be lower here, but that's part of the culture, as woman here perceive themselves to be dirty and unmarriageable if they are raped. IMHO.
Also: look at the (astonishingly high) rate of child abduction in this country.
And as Matthew can confirm, even Koreans themselves have a dim view of the effectiveness of the Korean police, further depressing the rate of reporting.
The only reason Texas is less safe than Korea is because of its amazingly loose gun laws.
The only reason New York is (slightly) less safe, is because people can buy guns in places like Texas, and then take them to New York.
People in New York are trying to stop this flow of weapons, but its hard dealing with Southerners when they have the 2nd Amendment and a sympathetic Supreme Court to hide behind.
I think its wrong to generalize that Koreans are less criminal than Americans.
After all, they elected a CONVICTED criminal as their current president (with about 30 different convictions, from what I understand)!
While I hate Bush, all he did before taking the White House (in a election he may have stolen) was a DUI and an AWOL. |
While I do agree with some of your points, I was simply stating that assaults, rapes, robberies, etc. are the NORM in America's large cities. The facts prove my point. And............NY has one of the lowest crime rate of cities 2 mil +....not sure on your mentioning of them (movies perhaps)? |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Location: On your computer screen.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: |
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I can't speak for other western countries but if you're a Korean (or other Asian person) in NZ you're far more likely be a victim of a racist attack than vice versa. It happens in NZ a lot unfortunately, several of my Korean friends and students were assaulted back in NZ and the police were pretty unhelpful too.
Random stuff can happen like this in Korea of course so you should never be completely complacent. However generally for males at least, this is a pretty safe country comparatively. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta agree about NZ. If I see an assault in Korea, (haven't yet in ten years) I'd be pretty surprised. In NZ, shheesh, on public sidewalks etc, I saw stuff a few times every month, muggings, fights, etc. Heck, one time I had to defend myself in a takeaway shop and ended up in a scuffle that put his head through the wall. Didn't remember that until now, as it was just another regularity. My friend was stabbed behind K Road. I've seen islanders fight with bricks to heads. Seen some bad stuff.
Go on a Friday night to any NZ inner city area, find a position and just sit and watch. You'll see some assaults soon enough. |
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Lekker

Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Which park in Hongdae did this happen in? |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
put his head through the wall. |
So, according to you, a human head actually penetrated a foot thick of concrete and brick, and stuck out the other side. Undamaged (obviously because you're not doing time for manslaughter).
C'mon now is that actually scientifically possible?
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I've seen islanders fight with bricks to heads. |
You use the word plural. It would only take one brick to someones head , one time, and we would be in all likelihood be discussing a muder investigation. But you paint a picture of these megamen casually withstanding and trading repeated blows to the head. Do they happily chat on their cellphones and solve crossword puzzles while they're doing it?
I think we better call mythbusters. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon, now, Nautilus--he never said it was a foot thick brick wall, he said it was a wall. Drywall maybe?
As for the brickbats--well, maybe they only scored glancing blows.
Just playing devil's advocate here... |
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