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Quack Addict
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| You can't spell Canada without 'duh'...so I would say Newfoundlanders. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| As an anglo from Canada, I would have to give it to the French hands down. Although, the British are the ones who united and developed the country. |
at the point where they were uniting the country, did those people really identify as brits anymore?
i mean - many a canadian douchebag will pipe up in a bar 'oh yeah? well we burned down the white house in 1812' (and fail to mention why we neglected to hold the position for any length of time and went home shortly after) but really it was british troops. but were they british troops? red uniforms maybe, but i'd argue they didn't identify as british.
i really wonder when canadian identity really crystallized, because it's such a weird phenomenon. |
I'd say up to about WWI most Canadian considered themselves British subjects. Not the Frenchies, of course. |
i'm not so sure that's true, since so many of them left britain for a better life. sure there were the fartsuckers who waxed sentimental about "over 'ome" but i bet there was a large percentage who would have pissed in the queen's tea given the chance.
not sure what that percentage was - but think of what kind of cynicism makes you leave your homeland. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| I dunno, every time I go to the mainland, especially Ontario, I'm stunned by the number of streets, towns and institutions with names inspired by the monarchy. Everything seems to have the name King, Queen, Royal or Victoria in it's name. Oddly, there's very little of that on the Rock |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| I dunno, every time I go to the mainland, especially Ontario, I'm stunned by the number of streets, towns and institutions with names inspired by the monarchy. Everything seems to have the name King, Queen, Royal or Victoria in it's name. Oddly, there's very little of that on the Rock |
kinda cements my theory that canada is the epicenter of lauding lameness. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| uberscheisse wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| As an anglo from Canada, I would have to give it to the French hands down. Although, the British are the ones who united and developed the country. |
at the point where they were uniting the country, did those people really identify as brits anymore?
i mean - many a canadian douchebag will pipe up in a bar 'oh yeah? well we burned down the white house in 1812' (and fail to mention why we neglected to hold the position for any length of time and went home shortly after) but really it was british troops. but were they british troops? red uniforms maybe, but i'd argue they didn't identify as british.
i really wonder when canadian identity really crystallized, because it's such a weird phenomenon. |
I am sure that a lot of them identified as both. Why not? I am sure John A. MacDonald identified himself as Canadian but also Scottish as that was where he was born. Also, the unifying of the country began pretty much from the onset of the American Revolution up until the 20th century, so it really isn't a clear cut answer. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone remember that group of people known as indians? |
Indians??? They arrived form India about 100 years ago. In Canada we use the terms "Native Americans" or Aboriginals." |
No, for Canada the comparable term is Native Canadian.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Does it really matter? Its not like Canada is a real country anyway. |
Why don't you go f!ck yourself douchbag. Where are you from a-hole? Have you ever even been out of your own country or korea? |
Typical hyper-sensitive Canadian retort.
How many flags you rollin with to work? How often you start a sentence - to strangers or loose acquaintances - with "in Canada...."? |
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dasmith2
Joined: 31 Jan 2008
Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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The Jesuits played a large role in founding Canada. They arrived in New France (now Quebec) in the sixteenth century. I think the French got there first, but it was the English who actually founded the nation as "Canada."
It's understandable why the issue is debatable. The natives were the first here, of course, but they were divided by their tribes. They did not exist as one nation, but many (hence the term first nations). In Quebec, the Jesuits had a particularly difficult time preventing frequent conflict between Mohawk and Algonquin nations. So, although natives were the first on the scene, they did not found "Canada." It was the British that came in, colonized it after the French came, and formed a political state that founded Canada. IMO. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| who will run canada in 100 years? is a better question. USA? China? |
Dude, I will sneak into the vast stores of Canadian nuclear weapons and unleash a mighty rain of death on the chinese gov before I let that happen.
"Live Canadian or Die" |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
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| Does it really matter? Its not like Canada is a real country anyway. |
Why don't you go f!ck yourself douchbag. Where are you from a-hole? Have you ever even been out of your own country or korea? |
Go easy, man... It's not like you to flip your lid like that. What gives? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I should say it would be the Eskimos and the seals they began clubbing into submission, no? |
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bejarano-korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I would say it was John Cabot who landed on Newfoundland and made it the first British colony in the Americas and wasn't he Genoese?
Up till 1948, all subjects of the crown were British. There was no such thing as a Canadian national until then. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to that deliberately vague and anachronistic Commonwealth practice of lumping everyone together as 'subjects of the crown', we were all able to avoid asking questions about our real national identity until now, when we've all woken up and found our nations are not properly defined and rest on questionable foundations.
Except the Scots. They know who they are. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to go way out on a limb and offend some people, but I think Canada was founded by canadians.... |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| I'm going to go way out on a limb and offend some people, but I think Canada was founded by canadians.... |
not necessarily a wrong answer, if you're referring to the founding of the country in 1867.
the reason i get cynical about canada is that our country was created by a bunch of regional bickerers - the only thing they could agree on (and they didn't agree on it all the time) is that they didn't want to become part of the USA. many of them entered into the union begrudgingly...
not really the kind of thing a dude can get all caught up in nationalist fervor about. can you really call it a founding, or just a decision that "we don't want to be that and even though we hate those assholes over there, we'll join up with them anyways. " |
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