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Secret of Koreans' Protest Against US Mad Cow Beef: DISCUSS!

 
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ernie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Secret of Koreans' Protest Against US Mad Cow Beef: DISCUSS! Reply with quote

part 1:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=sDaBTNPTWCQ&feature=related

part 2:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=fYAeJx7YBWs&feature=related

part 3:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=WX3msFBYqQ4&feature=related

i believe that the mad cow scare has been purposely blown out of proportion (it IS a threat, however) by the korean government / chaebol / media cabal in order to:

1) paint the protestors in a bad light (mad cow isn't really what they're pissed about)
2) create a smokescreen (can you say 'monica lewinsky'?)
3) provide an opportunity to acquiesce to public pressure, to show he's 'a man of the people', instead of a money grubbing corporate lackey


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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret of Koreans' Protest Against US Mad Cow Beef: DISC Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
it IS a threat, however


Really? Care to prove how much of a threat it is?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i believe that the mad cow scare has been purposely blown out of proportion (it IS a threat, however) by the korean government / chaebol / media cabal in order to:



You have a seriously twisted view of what is going on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the actual concern has more to do with the trade agreement than it does with mad cow. Mad cow fear is just an easier thing to jump onto than cheap import fear.

Don't get me wrong, American beef is pretty sketchy, but the low cost and high availability of it are more dangerous to Korea than the possible health risks.

Personally, I'd rather eat American beef than the meat and produce that sits on cardboard on the ground at your local street market in Korea.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greedy_bones wrote:
Don't get me wrong, American beef is pretty sketchy,


Really, now? Then perhaps you could tell us why it's gotten the highest safety rating?
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ernie



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad cow has been linked to jakob cruksfeld (sp?) disease - i consider that a problem... the fact that beef is tested for mad cow means that mad cow is a threat... i agree that the mad cow scare has been blown out of proportion, and that is EXACTLY my point (did you READ what i wrote? it's literally 4 sentences!)

ya-ta boy: i have a 'twisted' view of what's going on? care to elaborate? is it 'twisted' to think that a politician would use fear mongering in order to push through legislation that the public would never stand for? you obviously haven't been following what's been going on in US for the last couple decades, either!
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty new here, but even I can see the forest for the trees.



Tougher Safety Standards for Korean Beef



The Ministry for Food, Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries on Wednesday said it will release new enhanced safety standards for Korean beef probably early next week, when it promulgates sanitary conditions for U.S. beef imports.

Major points in the ministry's new safety standards are to restrict the slaughter of so-called "downer cows", strengthen the ban on animal byproduct feeds, and expand BSE testing -- the measures internationally recommended to prevent the outbreak and spread of mad cow disease.

A ministry official said, "Korea is a BSE-free country, as no mad cow disease has ever broken out. We've just enhanced the safety standards for Korean beef as many people called for such a measure due to renewed U.S. beef imports."

Last year, Korea applied to the world organization for animal health (OIE) for a country risk assessment for BSE. As a result, Korea was rated an "undetermined risk country", the lowest of three grades. The others are "negligible" and "controlled� risk. At the time, the OIE explained Korea had not done adequate BSE testing and had not clearly defined its ban on the use of animal byproduct feeds.

Woo Hee-jong, a professor of veterinary medicine at Seoul National University, said since BSE could theoretically break out in Korean cattle, �we must enhance safety standards by taking active measures including drastically increasing tests for mad cow disease."




http://english.chosun.com/w21data/ht...805290019.html
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ya-ta boy: i have a 'twisted' view of what's going on? care to elaborate? is it 'twisted' to think that a politician would use fear mongering in order to push through legislation that the public would never stand for? you obviously haven't been following what's been going on in US for the last couple decades, either!


Umm...a little. Since these protests are aimed at LMB and there is a petition out there for his impeachment, I'd like to hear what evidence you have that LMB is behind these protests. I'm sure you saw/read his 2nd apology he gave last night.

Your position (that LMB is behind the protests against what he himself has done) makes no sense.
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have yet to meet a president that wants his entire cabinet to resign after only six months in office.

Great strategy.

Are these people pimpin' for the nork or what.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i never said 2MB is behind these protests (is everything a conspiracy theory to you?), i said that he's using the mad cow issue as a smokescreen to cover the much MUCH worse things he's pulling off, such as the privatization of health insurance... renegotiating a minor detail in an agreement can easily be remedied, DE-privatizing an entire sector cannot!
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why protest "The Beef" when the beef is with unassociated policy.

Sounds like the smokescreen is coming from the nork pimps.

Spread lies and rumors about the beef and we don't have to address the real issues with facts, who needs facts when we can light a fire with paranoia.

If the KORUS FTA has flaws address them.

I think the first flaw with the agreement is that it has no chance of getting through the US Congress.

The second flaw is that the Korean auto and electronics industries are doomed without it.

The only advantage of the KORUS FTA is that it protects Korean products against competition from China and India (and other emerging economies).

So I say kill the KORUS FTA it's good for Korea.
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Khenan



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that some Korean media mogul has recently purchased a big pile of stocks for the Korean beef industry.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told seven years ago that Mad Cow disease had been found in Korean cattle and that dozens of cases of the human variant had been documented in Korean citizens. The government had decided to cover up all the details of these cases, so they remain classified as state secrets.

This information came from a highly placed doctor. The doctor informed family members and close friends (including myself) that eating Korean beef was dangerous and we should all stop.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie
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i believe that the mad cow scare has been purposely blown out of proportion (it IS a threat, however) by the korean government / chaebol / media cabal in order to:

1) paint the protestors in a bad light (mad cow isn't really what they're pissed about)
2) create a smokescreen (can you say 'monica lewinsky'?)
3) provide an opportunity to acquiesce to public pressure, to show he's 'a man of the people', instead of a money grubbing corporate lackey

If this was the plan, it was a poor one. The other issues mentioned in the video links (privatization, etcx.) are actually the main focus of the demonstrators, whicxh appear to be continuing beyond the usual June 10 closing date for Seoul's annual Demonstration Season.

I don't think anyone is going to think this guy is a man of the people. Wink

Btw, I don't think yata was attacking you, just disagreeing.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2MB certainly didn't plan the protest but now that it's happening, the media can portray it as being about mad cow, instead of about the myriad of other, more serious things the VAST majority of the demonstrators are concerned about...

i didn't take ya-ta's response as a personal attack, my problem is with people responding to things they obviously haven't read!
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