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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Massive Protest by PS FTs? |
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| Contracts are NOT sacred in Korea, so westerners should be expected to treat them as such. |
People, PLEASE quit buying into that bit of nonsense. When you go to the Labor Board or to court, the written contract and the law are the only things that matter. What you think the boss meant by some unwritten promise has no bearing on the matter. The contract is the thing that matters except for the particular provisions of it which contravene law. |
You bring up the extreme. Most of (thankfully) will never have to go to either of those places. I mean the Hagwon owner forcing people to work on Election Day, and other little things.
I'm not about to go through the process of taking someone to court over 1 days work.
I meant culturally, Asians view contracts a lot differently than in the west. Here a contract is more a starting point, instead of the end of negotiations. |
Reading comprehension is obviously not one of your strong points. |
Actually I'm quite good at reading, idiot.
Last year, my contract (in writing, not an 'unwritten promise) stated I get off ALL NATIONAL HOLIDAYS.
My boss insisted we work on election day, A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
All the Koreans had no problem doing this.
The western teachers complained, to no avail.
It would be silly of us to lodge a legal complaint in a language we don't know, OVER 1 day.
I think you've got a case of pot calling the kettle black, with your smug little reading comp statement, centralcali. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| But do they teach you any common sense to know that I wasn't comparing unis in Europe to Podunk U in N. America? |
why would/should the TOP Korean Universities be any different?
I would imagine the competition to merely get in is fierce, and they get the cream of the crop.
Since what they're working with (the average student) is far above and beyond Joe Blow at Podunk U, it would take a screwup of major proportions to educate him/her any less.
I'd be willing to bet that your average top highschooler that made it into a top uni is probably far more knowledgeable than most graduates of Podunk U 4 years later.
Whether the mass academic overload is the best way to educate someone is subject to debate/argument, but there is almost no doubt in my mind, these Korean kids are better educated on almost every level (vastly superior in math/science, probably have at least a basic grasp of global geography/history) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Massive Protest by PS FTs? |
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| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| Contracts are NOT sacred in Korea, so westerners should be expected to treat them as such. |
People, PLEASE quit buying into that bit of nonsense. When you go to the Labor Board or to court, the written contract and the law are the only things that matter. What you think the boss meant by some unwritten promise has no bearing on the matter. The contract is the thing that matters except for the particular provisions of it which contravene law. |
You bring up the extreme. Most of (thankfully) will never have to go to either of those places. I mean the Hagwon owner forcing people to work on Election Day, and other little things.
I'm not about to go through the process of taking someone to court over 1 days work.
I meant culturally, Asians view contracts a lot differently than in the west. Here a contract is more a starting point, instead of the end of negotiations. |
Reading comprehension is obviously not one of your strong points. |
Actually I'm quite good at reading, idiot.
Last year, my contract (in writing, not an 'unwritten promise) stated I get off ALL NATIONAL HOLIDAYS.
My boss insisted we work on election day, A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
All the Koreans had no problem doing this.
The western teachers complained, to no avail.
It would be silly of us to lodge a legal complaint in a language we don't know, OVER 1 day.
I think you've got a case of pot calling the kettle black, with your smug little reading comp statement, centralcali. |
Nope. You just proved again that you've no clue as to what the written word says. |
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mrgiles
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| this has got to be one of the silliest threads i've read in a while. a bit of a laugh - esp ramen and wanamin. are u guys pretending to be terrible at english, or is this an accurate representation of ur writing abilities? |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Massive Protest by PS FTs? |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| Contracts are NOT sacred in Korea, so westerners should be expected to treat them as such. |
People, PLEASE quit buying into that bit of nonsense. When you go to the Labor Board or to court, the written contract and the law are the only things that matter. What you think the boss meant by some unwritten promise has no bearing on the matter. The contract is the thing that matters except for the particular provisions of it which contravene law. |
You bring up the extreme. Most of (thankfully) will never have to go to either of those places. I mean the Hagwon owner forcing people to work on Election Day, and other little things.
I'm not about to go through the process of taking someone to court over 1 days work.
I meant culturally, Asians view contracts a lot differently than in the west. Here a contract is more a starting point, instead of the end of negotiations. |
Reading comprehension is obviously not one of your strong points. |
Actually I'm quite good at reading, idiot.
Last year, my contract (in writing, not an 'unwritten promise) stated I get off ALL NATIONAL HOLIDAYS.
My boss insisted we work on election day, A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
All the Koreans had no problem doing this.
The western teachers complained, to no avail.
It would be silly of us to lodge a legal complaint in a language we don't know, OVER 1 day.
I think you've got a case of pot calling the kettle black, with your smug little reading comp statement, centralcali. |
Nope. You just proved again that you've no clue as to what the written word says. |
I can't understand what you mean if you don't explain yourself.
but...
escribiste la verdad!!!
ganas este juego! eres tanto mejor que mi. no puedo hablar ingles.
No arruino tu lengua hermosa intentando escribir, ni hablelo otra vez. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Massive Protest by PS FTs? |
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| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| wanamin wrote: |
| Contracts are NOT sacred in Korea, so westerners should be expected to treat them as such. |
People, PLEASE quit buying into that bit of nonsense. When you go to the Labor Board or to court, the written contract and the law are the only things that matter. What you think the boss meant by some unwritten promise has no bearing on the matter. The contract is the thing that matters except for the particular provisions of it which contravene law. |
You bring up the extreme. Most of (thankfully) will never have to go to either of those places. I mean the Hagwon owner forcing people to work on Election Day, and other little things.
I'm not about to go through the process of taking someone to court over 1 days work.
I meant culturally, Asians view contracts a lot differently than in the west. Here a contract is more a starting point, instead of the end of negotiations. |
Reading comprehension is obviously not one of your strong points. |
Actually I'm quite good at reading, idiot.
Last year, my contract (in writing, not an 'unwritten promise) stated I get off ALL NATIONAL HOLIDAYS.
My boss insisted we work on election day, A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
All the Koreans had no problem doing this.
The western teachers complained, to no avail.
It would be silly of us to lodge a legal complaint in a language we don't know, OVER 1 day.
I think you've got a case of pot calling the kettle black, with your smug little reading comp statement, centralcali. |
Only it wasn't a national holiday.
http://www.qppstudio.net/publicholidays.htm.
Open the link, find South Korea and see what it says about that election. "The next presidential election will occur on December 19, 2007. This will be a PARTIAL public holiday in the sense that government offices will close and most businesses will either close or give 2-3 hours to its employees to go and vote" (Capitals are mine)
You don't have voting rights, therefore you are not entitled to time off on that day. Yes some hakwons do shut down for that and so do public schools. But for many hakwons, that's money out of pocket.
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| mrgiles wrote: |
| this has got to be one of the silliest threads i've read in a while. a bit of a laugh - esp ramen and wanamin. are u guys pretending to be terrible at english, or is this an accurate representation of ur writing abilities? |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| But do they teach you any common sense to know that I wasn't comparing unis in Europe to Podunk U in N. America? |
why would/should the TOP Korean Universities be any different?
I would imagine the competition to merely get in is fierce, and they get the cream of the crop.
Since what they're working with (the average student) is far above and beyond Joe Blow at Podunk U, it would take a screwup of major proportions to educate him/her any less.
I'd be willing to bet that your average top highschooler that made it into a top uni is probably far more knowledgeable than most graduates of Podunk U 4 years later.
Whether the mass academic overload is the best way to educate someone is subject to debate/argument, but there is almost no doubt in my mind, these Korean kids are better educated on almost every level (vastly superior in math/science, probably have at least a basic grasp of global geography/history) |
I guess you didn't know that their cream of the crop are studying in Podunk U in N. America, huh? |
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mrgiles
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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the yucks keep on comin!!!
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mrgiles wrote:
this has got to be one of the silliest threads i've read in a while. a bit of a laugh - esp ramen and wanamin. are u guys pretending to be terrible at english, or is this an accurate representation of ur writing abilities?
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wow. ramen is a genius of the modern world. he's absolutely nailed me here. how embarrassing to have used an abbreviation - and that he picked me up on it! how will i show my face in public? |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess you didn't know that their cream of the crop are studying in Podunk U in N. America, huh? |
I know some are... I don't know whether they're cream of the crop though and what their purpose is by going to Podunk U. Perhaps improve their English? They surely can't be learning much math or science there 
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escribiste la verdad!!!
ganas este juego! eres tanto mejor que mi. no puedo hablar ingles.
No arruino tu lengua hermosa intentando escribir, ni hablelo otra vez. |
tanto mejor que mi??
hablelo?
well, I'm going to guess you're not teaching Spanish, so it's not that big of a deal |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess you didn't know that their cream of the crop are studying in Podunk U in N. America, huh? |
Not only studying there, but some are also faking their degrees from there!
Of course, if the "Podunk U" in Wherever, US happens to be accredited, then the students very well may be learning plenty of Math and Science there. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess you didn't know that their cream of the crop are studying in Podunk U in N. America, huh? |
Not only studying there, but some are also faking their degrees from there!
Of course, if the "Podunk U" in Wherever, US happens to be accredited, then the students very well may be learning plenty of Math and Science there. |
if I had to guess and or bet, I'd have to guess/bet that they majority of Korean at US schools are there to improve their English.
And of course.. yes.. if they want.. they can study as much math or science as they wish...and any halfway decent school.
my point was merely that they'll be light years ahead of their American peers learning math and science, for e.g.
a hagwon owner I almost went to work for... went to school in the US.
In Kentucky of all places.
and yes.. it was Podunk U - Murray State - or something like that.
His English wasn't very good though.. and I never quite asked why he went there. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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as a labor history buff I can tell you it would never work unless it incorporated as amny people as possible. This means sympathetic people in industries that the school relies on, perhaps a vice principal, all men and women, and all teachers, foreign or native. Unions never work unless they incorporate as many as possible. You'd also need to create picket lines to keep out "scabs."
That being said, I'd suggest looking into existing unions, or creating a new union, very un-bureaucratic, a la The Wobblies. Of course, keep it secret until you have large numbers. Myself, I want to learn more Korean and see what the options are. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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as a labor history buff I can tell you it would never work unless it incorporated as amny people as possible. This means sympathetic people in industries that the school relies on, perhaps a vice principal, all men and women, and all teachers, foreign or native. Unions never work unless they incorporate as many as possible. You'd also need to create picket lines to keep out "scabs."
That being said, I'd suggest looking into existing unions, or creating a new union, very un-bureaucratic, a la The Wobblies. Of course, keep it secret until you have large numbers. Myself, I want to learn more Korean and see what the options are. |
You might want to type ATEK into the search function then... |
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dc'79
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
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| I guess you didn't know that their cream of the crop are studying in Podunk U in N. America, huh? |
Not only studying there, but some are also faking their degrees from there!
Of course, if the "Podunk U" in Wherever, US happens to be accredited, then the students very well may be learning plenty of Math and Science there. |
if I had to guess and or bet, I'd have to guess/bet that they majority of Korean at US schools are there to improve their English.
And of course.. yes.. if they want.. they can study as much math or science as they wish...and any halfway decent school.
my point was merely that they'll be light years ahead of their American peers learning math and science, for e.g.
a hagwon owner I almost went to work for... went to school in the US.
In Kentucky of all places.
and yes.. it was Podunk U - Murray State - or something like that.
His English wasn't very good though.. and I never quite asked why he went there. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120400730.html
Was the closest thing i could find on a 2 min quick google. If you have any highschoolers...ask them to show you their 'math' book. Heck even middle school might do.
I'm not saying the education is better in Korea (critical thinking and problemsolving being almost nonexisitant), but in math and science they consistently rank high. |
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