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justin moffatt
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mindmetoo
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If it's from a korean english newspaper...
You doubt people come down with a human variant of BSE? |
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justin moffatt
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| No. I am requesting validation of claims regarding misdiagnosis of BSE and USA beef policies. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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There is no "mad cow." The Korean agricultural-industrial complex, and its clever agents such as this Whitaker, created "the mad cow" threat to intimidate and control its own people, to justify its inflated budget, and as a plausible pretext to embark on an agricultural-industrial complex imperialist program -- especially in Dokdo. Ask yourself, Justin: who benefits from "mad cow?" And why is the Korean agricultural-industrial-complex-controlled media engaging in this daily, Orwellian-style Two Minutes Hate propaganda against the so-called American beef lobby?
Have you even been to this "America?" And do you think all of this occurs as mere coincidence...  |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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The US farm lobby, esp the meat packers, have a lot of political influence. If Fast Food Nation is to be believed, the USA is well behind most of the western world in terms of testing.
The 1997 paper doesn't indicate that CJD is being misdiagnosed in the real world. It was merely a test of diagnostic methods:
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The accuracy of the clinical diagnosis of corticobasal degeneration (CBD) is unknown. To determine its diagnostic accuracy, we presented 105 cases with known neuropathologic diagnoses...as clinical vignettes to six neurologists unaware of the autopsy findings.
Although the validity of the clinical diagnosis might have been improved if neurologists could have examined these patients, more important is that this disorder was misdiagnosed by the primary neurologists. |
How often does this happen in the real world? Alzheimer's is usually diagnosed while the patient is alive, based upon some subjective criteria and upon elimination of other possible causes. A final determination is made upon death. CJD and Alzheimer's may well have very different symptoms. One should truly present a mix of CJD and Alzheimer's patients for testing as well. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Ummm...don't only elderly people get Alzheimers? Mad cow would affect teenyboppers who eat hamburgers.
What are the statistics showing an upsurge of 20-year olds with mushy brains? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Besides South Korea, where else do American beef exports go? And what is going on there? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| They (meaning, those who got caught up in this) sure get whipped into an emotional hysteria easily. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, they do. And they are certainly beating their drums right now. Some call it "nationalism." |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, nationalism. But more. It is an ethnic nationalism nicely peppered with an acute victim complex, made stronger by an aggressive racial superiority complex. In addition to an oddly emotional culture, herd mentality, and wacky media.
It must be exhausting to be an ethnocentric, permanently victimized, herd following nationalist who constantly emotes like a so-cal emo suburban white kid. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Mark Whitaker wrote: |
| Probably a lot of Americans -- and many others worldwide -- have been killed due to American beef... |
I remain interested in specific figures from reliable sources, especially with respect to American beef in places besides South Korea. |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Ummm...don't only elderly people get Alzheimers? Mad cow would affect teenyboppers who eat hamburgers.
What are the statistics showing an upsurge of 20-year olds with mushy brains? |
Though very rare Alzheimers has appeared in young victims. If my memory serves me there was a case of a 28 year old victim verified at autopsy.
Alzheimers takes a long time to kill, several years after diagnosis.
The CJD will kill you in a matter of months it progress slower than the vCJD.
The vCJD is the variant which is associated with BSE and the eating of tainted material such as brain matter it will kill you in a few weeks. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Broadcaster Ignores Truth About CJD Death
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control officially announced on its homepage on Thursday that test results showed the young American woman reported by the MBC current affairs program "PD Diary" as having died from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), the human form of "mad cow disease", did not die from that illness at all.
"PD Diary" allotted 14 minutes of airtime reporting on the woman who died earlier this year, and carried an interview of her mother saying her daughter may have died from "CJD" (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease). The news program carried a translated subtitle of the mother's comments, which misquoted her as saying the probable cause of her daughter's death was "vCJD". VCJD is a disease caused by eating beef from cattle infected by mad cow disease, while CJD is a disease that has nothing to do with cows. "PD Diary" portrayed a person who died of an illness completely unrelated to eating beef as having perished for just that reason.
Was this due to the ignorance of the "PD Diary" staff, or was it an intentional manipulation aimed at inciting public fears? Judging by how MBC has refused to apologize and issue a correction regarding numerous references to the mistranslation, there's a strong possibility that the broadcaster intended to incite public fears. After the CDC announcement was reported on Tuesday, "PD Diary" is dragging its feet, saying it would report on it if the announcement was a final conclusion, but the dead woman's parents still haven't been notified of the final results.
http://english.chosun.co.kr/w21data/...806180017.html |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Broadcaster Ignores Truth About CJD Death
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control officially announced on its homepage on Thursday that test results showed the young American woman reported by the MBC current affairs program "PD Diary" as having died from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), the human form of "mad cow disease", did not die from that illness at all.
"PD Diary" allotted 14 minutes of airtime reporting on the woman who died earlier this year, and carried an interview of her mother saying her daughter may have died from "CJD" (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease). The news program carried a translated subtitle of the mother's comments, which misquoted her as saying the probable cause of her daughter's death was "vCJD". VCJD is a disease caused by eating beef from cattle infected by mad cow disease, while CJD is a disease that has nothing to do with cows. "PD Diary" portrayed a person who died of an illness completely unrelated to eating beef as having perished for just that reason.
Was this due to the ignorance of the "PD Diary" staff, or was it an intentional manipulation aimed at inciting public fears? Judging by how MBC has refused to apologize and issue a correction regarding numerous references to the mistranslation, there's a strong possibility that the broadcaster intended to incite public fears. After the CDC announcement was reported on Tuesday, "PD Diary" is dragging its feet, saying it would report on it if the announcement was a final conclusion, but the dead woman's parents still haven't been notified of the final results.
http://english.chosun.co.kr/w21data/...806180017.html |
Wow. Hearst would be proud. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Besides South Korea, where else do American beef exports go? And what is going on there? |
How would you know what's going on anywhere? This thing often doesn't show up for years. It can be a ticking timebomb. It's extremely rare, but if you get it, it's nasty. Makes me glad I'm a vegetarian. 
In Australia, Brits are not allowed to give blood, even if they haven't been in England since as long as 28 years ago.
The US considered a ban on British blood (or on blood from donors who had lived in Britain between 1980 and 1996), but I don't think it was put into place: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/355648.stm. I think France banned UK blood too. |
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