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Working for EPIK with an F4?
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Working for EPIK with an F4? Reply with quote

So I had my EPIK interview in Chicago today. Besides getting locked into the stairwell and having to walk down 27 flights of stairs with high heels on only to find that ALL doors were locked and having to be let back into the building on the English consulate floor by some Indian women...it went really well.

However, they were very against me getting an F4 visa. The person interviewing me really didn't know anything about it, but his secretary did. I really got the feeling that she just didn't want me to get it because she didn't really know how to process all the stuff? Or maybe I'm taking crazy pills. The only reason she could come up with to dissuade me was that I would have to relinquish my Korean citizenship. Has anybody else had this problem? If I give up my Korean citizenship now will I not be able to get dual citizenship when/if it becomes legal? Is there honestly any good reason to get an E2 instead of an F4 visa?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youir post makes no sense.

If you're a Korean citizen, you don't a visa (E-2, F-4 or otherwise) to work in K-land.
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was born in Korea and my name is in the family register which technically makes me a Korean citizen. When applying for an F4 visa they ask that you give up this citizenship, or so I'm told. I don't really mind doing this, but I don't want it to hinder my ability to get dual citizenship if it ever becomes available.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, you can't have your cake and eat it too...

What I fail to see is how Korean citizenship could possibly be considered 'icing' on the proverbial cake.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're female, I see no reason to try to use your Korean citizenship to your advantage to get a job in Korea. To get the F-4, you'll lose your Korean citizenship.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your name is on the family register, you are a Korean citizen and entitled to a Korean passport. You don't need any VISA to enter Korea.

I'm assuming you have a US passport and are a US citizen? Dual citizenship is allowed sometimes, but I think you can only have it for up to 2 years before you have to choose one or the other.

More details would really help us help you.

KPRROK
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chicago Consulate told me that in order to get the F4 visa I would have to give up my Korean citizenship so they suggested that I get the E2 visa instead. This is the part I don't really understand because from what I always understood it wasn't 'real' citizenship anyways, it was just my name in the family register. I have never had a Korean passport and don't have an ID. I've also been told that the Korean government is considering allowing dual citizenship. I don't want to take my name off the family register now and not be allowed dual citizenship if the government allows it in a few years. I had planned on teaching as many privates as possible and thought this was harder to do with an E2? I guess I really don't mind getting an E2 it just seemed like people on these boards thought the F4 was better somehow?
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you male or female?
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
are you male or female?


Considering she wears high heals... either female or a transvestite.

I would have mentioned something about compulsory military service for Korean citizens if I thought 'she' was male. Wink
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
blackjack wrote:
are you male or female?


Considering she wears high heals... either female or a transvestite.

I would have mentioned something about compulsory military service for Korean citizens if I thought 'she' was male. Wink


Sorry I did not read the first paragraph Embarassed

Can you apply for a korean passport, that way skip the whole visa stuff and simply don't tell the korean government that you also have an american passport (can you even renounce yor american citizenship?)
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crsandus



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they want you to fill out is the Nationality Renunciation paperwork which is a pain in the ass. The process is supposed to take 2-3 months (Mine took 6 weeks). The family registry paperwork changed in 2008 so make sure you have the correct registry documents and a bunch of other crap. I was under the impression the generally only males did this to get out of the Korean military duty (like me).

I'm not sure what your general situation is but overall the E2 is inferior to the F4. I know having Korean citizenship may be nice and all but the F4 grants you lots of freedom.
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crsandus wrote:
What they want you to fill out is the Nationality Renunciation paperwork which is a pain in the ass. The process is supposed to take 2-3 months (Mine took 6 weeks). The family registry paperwork changed in 2008 so make sure you have the correct registry documents and a bunch of other crap. I was under the impression the generally only males did this to get out of the Korean military duty (like me).

I'm not sure what your general situation is but overall the E2 is inferior to the F4. I know having Korean citizenship may be nice and all but the F4 grants you lots of freedom.


Thanks. It's really hard finding out just what I have to do, because for some reason a lot of people at the consulate don't really know anything about the F4. Did you get the visa in Korea or America? People I've talked to made it sound like if I were to come into Korea with no visa they would make me renounce my Korean citizenship anyways. I haven't been to Korea since I turned 22 and was told this was the *magic age where you are no longer able to have both. Some people are telling me to come to Korea with no visa, renounce my citizenship and apply for the F4 in Seoul. What about changing your E2 into an F4 once you get to Korea?
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
blackjack wrote:
are you male or female?


Considering she wears high heals... either female or a transvestite.

I would have mentioned something about compulsory military service for Korean citizens if I thought 'she' was male. Wink


Sorry I did not read the first paragraph Embarassed

Can you apply for a korean passport, that way skip the whole visa stuff and simply don't tell the korean government that you also have an american passport (can you even renounce yor american citizenship?)


I somehow doubt that would work, but have never tried so don't actually know. They might be pretty suspicious of me as I don't speak a word of Korean...
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dazzed



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What passport do you hold now?

If you hold US passport than you're US citizen meaning you can apply for F4 visa. If you hold Korean passport but considered US resident than you're still technically considered Korean. If you stay out of US more than a year, You'll lose your residency in the US, unless you get special permission from the gov't. You can get it easily at the immigration for that.

To get an F4 visa, you'll need to go to Korean embassy or consulate to apply. You'll need a family member or relative still residing in korea to sponsor you.
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dtown



Joined: 06 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dazzed wrote:
What passport do you hold now?

If you hold US passport than you're US citizen meaning you can apply for F4 visa. If you hold Korean passport but considered US resident than you're still technically considered Korean. If you stay out of US more than a year, You'll lose your residency in the US, unless you get special permission from the gov't. You can get it easily at the immigration for that.

To get an F4 visa, you'll need to go to Korean embassy or consulate to apply. You'll need a family member or relative still residing in korea to sponsor you.


I have a US passport and have been a US citizen pretty much my whole life. I've decided to try to get the F4 and am trying to get all the documents together. I was just at the Chicago consulate and it was pretty clear they weren't entirely sure how to handle applying for the F4 visa and were pretty pushy trying to convince me to get the E2 visa instead. Hopefully I can successfully apply for the F4 before EPIK even offers me a contract.
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