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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:48 pm    Post subject: Warning: Anyone appearing on a tv show in Korea Reply with quote

Last week at Costco, I saw a Canadian guy that I had previously seen on a Korean TV show. Let me give you a short synposis.

He is living in Ilsan with his 3 kids, married to a Korean lady, etc. The show focused on his attitude. he doesn't hate Korea whatsoever. He just claimed to be stressed out with the 'Way-gook-in' pointing at him on the street and the like. He said he doesn't like to go out in public in his free time because it bothers him. It presented it like it was his problem and he has to 'get over it'.

So when I mentioned it to him at Costco, he told me that was not the main focus of the show, and why he applied to go on it. The topic was supposed to be about how he has trouble communicating with his kids becuase they don't speak English well. When they were filming it, he made one mention of being bothered by the neighbourhood xenophobes and they ran with the ball.

In the end, they edited the footage, totally changed the focus, and made a perfectly nice guy look like a real asshole on Korean TV.

Dude, you got sparkled!!
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rakuan



Joined: 30 Aug 2004
Location: Pohang, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning: Anyone appearing on a tv show in Korea Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
Dude, you got sparkled!!


somebody copyright that phrase before i do
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kind of father can't talk to his kids? I've got to think he's not a "perfectly nice guy" as your 3 minute talk to him in Costco proved to you.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
what kind of father can't talk to his kids? I've got to think he's not a "perfectly nice guy" as your 3 minute talk to him in Costco proved to you.


It's probably not as uncommon as it sounds. I remember reading Tommy Lee of Motley Crue talking about when he was a little kid, he would get frustrated because he couldn't even talk with his own mom. She was a Miss Greece in the 1950s and it apparently took her a while to pick up English when she moved to California with her American husband.

Kids probably learn Korean as their first language in Korea a lot faster than an adult can learn it as a second language, and the dad the OP is talking about is probably just trying to catch up.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really think it depends on the parents.

At 3.5, my daughter is fluent in 3 languages - Korean, English and Cantonese. She can switch between them as easily as we say A B C.

If the parents are consistently talking with their kids in only one (or 2) language, the kids aren't going to have any problem communicating.
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bobranger



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Location: masan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Media sensationalizes to suit their needs. I would be cautious as well.
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Location: hiding out

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the program you're talking about. Personally, I don't know how he can go through life without being able to communicate with his three children. The oldest looked to be about 8 years old (?)... I mean, come on -- he's had years to see this problem coming. The oldest girl would only speak Korean to him and he'd just have this resigned look on his face. It seemed to me (or at least the show made it look like) his own kids didn't respect him.

I agree that the show made him look like a complete idiot. It was embarrassing to watch. I wonder why he agreed to do it -- what a mistake.
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has its advantages. Picture the father and daughter at the store.

Child: Satang moko-ship-payo.

Dad: I dont understand.

Child: Satang-moko-ship-payo.

Dad: I dont understand Korean.

Dad saves money.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="tzechuk"]

At 3.5, my daughter is fluent

[quote]


Hmm, I gotta see that one. How can a 3 year old kid be fluent?

Maybe communicable but certainly not fluent. Your daughter has a lifetime of experience and learning to experience before she's, as you say, fluent.

I enjoy dating Korean girls from time to time but if I can't hold an intelligible conversation with her and if they don't have enough English to be able to connect then she's not for me.

I'd go bored in the skull if I had a sig other who spoke English at a non-fluent level.


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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
I really think it depends on the parents.

At 3.5, my daughter is fluent in 3 languages - Korean, English and Cantonese. She can switch between them as easily as we say A B C.

If the parents are consistently talking with their kids in only one (or 2) language, the kids aren't going to have any problem communicating.


That's how I grew up. My dad could only speak English so that's how he spoke to me. My mom could speak Korean and English but mostly spoke to me in Korean. We lived in Hong Kong until I was about 3 1/2 and I picked up Cantonese in nursery school and from our housekeeper. I'm guessing he might not have talked to his children enough when they were young?
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Warning: Anyone appearing on a tv show in Korea Reply with quote

rakuan wrote:
Ilsanman wrote:
Dude, you got sparkled!!


somebody copyright that phrase before i do


Oh shi....
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
what kind of father can't talk to his kids?


The real question is; why the *beep* was he not speaking to them in English at home? That's rule number of making bi-lingual children... each parent speaks one of the languages so, during their "soaking up language" period early on in life, they naturally learn both.

Furthermore, what kind of putz has been in a country for long enough to get married and have kids approaching ten years old and can't even speak the language enough to effectively communicate with his children? It's one thing for a short-termer to not bother to learn, but if you're married and staying here, why in the world would you not learn the language?
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Spliff's Son



Joined: 09 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's his choice and his life. Who the hell are you to criticize?
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
ChinaBoy wrote:
what kind of father can't talk to his kids? I've got to think he's not a "perfectly nice guy" as your 3 minute talk to him in Costco proved to you.


It's probably not as uncommon as it sounds. I remember reading Tommy Lee of Motley Crue talking about when he was a little kid, he would get frustrated because he couldn't even talk with his own mom. She was a Miss Greece in the 1950s and it apparently took her a while to pick up English when she moved to California with her American husband.

Kids probably learn Korean as their first language in Korea a lot faster than an adult can learn it as a second language, and the dad the OP is talking about is probably just trying to catch up.


Yeh! Tom's dad met his wife in Greece while in the military. She couldn't speak English and he, couldn't speak Greek, yet they were married a week alter after first meeting.
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thiophene



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't watch the show but I can understand there always being a barrier with parent/child communication when there's a second language involved. I'm fluent in Farsi, my mom's fluent in Farsi, but every once and a while we want to smash our heads into the wall cause we don't quite understand what/why they're saying what eachother is saying. Sure this could be a generational thing too but I always attributed it to us communicating using second languages which I don't care how familiar you're with, you'll nevr quite understand evrything. And while the child is young, it's even worse, but I guess the bright side is it'll just get better. I presume this makes no sense.
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