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caniff
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
i really want to say almost every country in the world except japan.
you can get japanese citizenship if one of your parents is a japanese citizen.
but there was a case last year of a kid who was born to japanese parents, but they decided not to register him (since he was mentally retarded), and now at 20 or so he has no citizenship. |
Almost every country in the world? You are very wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
And Japan is a racist, xenophobic freak-country. It always was, and it will continue to be until its rapidly declining birthrate depopulates the place to such an extent that they are forced to lighten up and allow in foreigners wholesale.
The future of Japan:
http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/handbook/c02cont.htm#cha2_2 |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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i don't doubt that i'm wrong.
but when i hear talk of countries that give citizenship at birth, japan is always mentioned as one that doesn't and it's mentioned as one of the few that doesn't. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli |
Thanks. List of those that have it:
American Samoa
Argentina
Azerbaijan
Barbados
Brazil
Canada
Colombia
Grenada
Jamaica
Mexico
Pakistan
Peru
Pridnestrovie
Saint Lucia
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
United States
Uruguay
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mekku
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
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i don't doubt that i'm wrong.
but when i hear talk of countries that give citizenship at birth, japan is always mentioned as one that doesn't and it's mentioned as one of the few that doesn't. |
When I lived in Japan (1990~1996), there was a case that their Supreme Court had to decide relating to the Nationality Law. The key point on the law at the time (I don't know if the law has been changed since then) is that the only circumstance on which Japanese nationality is conferred on the basis of birth on Japanese soil is if the citizenship of both parents is unknown.
The case involved a woman who used a Republic of the Philippines passport as identification when she was admitted to a hospital to give birth. The child was born with some birth defects including some kind of mental illness. The mother fled from the hospital, abandoning the child. As there was no father present or known, the stance of the Japanese government was that the child was a Philippine citizen and refused to issue a Japanese passport to the child.
The sticking point for that stance, though, was that the original holder of the passport had reported the passport stolen to both the local police and to the Philippine Embassy. The court examined her and noticed that she did not fit the description of the mother who had abandoned the child. The court then found that the child was, therefore, born to two parents whose citizenship could not be determined. The child was adopted by a missionary couple who took the case through the courts.
So, Japan does, in very rare circumstances, give citizenship at birth. The usual method is by descent. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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As I recall, the UK and the US got into a tussle some years back about a baby.
The kid was born to a British couple on a British airliner which happened to be in American airspace. I think Madam Thatcher won out on that tiff.
How nasty is that? After a woman gives birth there is a strange mixture of blood and other fluids to be discharged over a few days. On an aeroplane? Yeech. |
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sjrm
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
the very screwed up thing about it is that many illegal immigrants come to the US to give birth so their kids can have US citizenship. I totally don't agreee with that, and they should be given the citizenship of their parents, not the country they were born in. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sjrm wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
the very screwed up thing about it is that many illegal immigrants come to the US to give birth so their kids can have US citizenship. I totally don't agreee with that, and they should be given the citizenship of their parents, not the country they were born in. |
I know Mexico makes it almost impossible for Americans to 'emigrate' to Mexico and gain full rights.
It is interesting seeing that Mexico IS on the list of countries that recognizes 'birth on their soil' as citizenship rights. But I can't help but think if two Americans were in Cancun for example, gave birth to their child, that that child would be able to later buy property and have rights to Mexico later in the future. |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| sjrm wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
the very screwed up thing about it is that many illegal immigrants come to the US to give birth so their kids can have US citizenship. I totally don't agreee with that, and they should be given the citizenship of their parents, not the country they were born in. |
I know Mexico makes it almost impossible for Americans to 'emigrate' to Mexico and gain full rights.
It is interesting seeing that Mexico IS on the list of countries that recognizes 'birth on their soil' as citizenship rights. But I can't help but think if two Americans were in Cancun for example, gave birth to their child, that that child would be able to later buy property and have rights to Mexico later in the future. |
That would be very interesting to see how that would work out. I know it's very hard to gain an extended visas for US citizens to work in Mexico. I know because my brother lived in Mexico City for a year, and had to fly back to into the US in order to renew his visa I think after 6 months. It was something to that affect, but not quite sure on all the details. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sjrm wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
the very screwed up thing about it is that many illegal immigrants come to the US to give birth so their kids can have US citizenship. I totally don't agreee with that, and they should be given the citizenship of their parents, not the country they were born in. |
I seriously doubt that there's a single male illegal immigrant coming to the US to give birth.
So, out of idle curiosity, what other parts of the Constitution do you think should be amended? I noticed that neither you nor mekku's mentioned how you got your citizenship. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
When I lived in Japan (1990~1996), there was a case that their Supreme Court had to decide relating to the Nationality Law. |
mmm...this is the first time i've heard about that case.
last week, a morning news program interviewed a lady (who's face was blurred) who was trying to get citizenship.
apparently her parents were not recorded in any registry and neither was she, meaning that she had no citizenship.
that lady now has a kid and the kid has no citizenship. the father is japanese, but is out of the picture (i think), so it's another thing being sent to the courts. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Rob'sdad wrote: |
As I recall, the UK and the US got into a tussle some years back about a baby.
The kid was born to a British couple on a British airliner which happened to be in American airspace. I think Madam Thatcher won out on that tiff.
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Why would there have been a "tussle?" |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| sjrm wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
the very screwed up thing about it is that many illegal immigrants come to the US to give birth so their kids can have US citizenship. I totally don't agreee with that, and they should be given the citizenship of their parents, not the country they were born in. |
I seriously doubt that there's a single male illegal immigrant coming to the US to give birth.
So, out of idle curiosity, what other parts of the Constitution do you think should be amended? I noticed that neither you nor mekku's mentioned how you got your citizenship. |
if a male could give birth, i think there'd be a larger story at hand. but yes, it happens quite often, even if you want to turn a blind eye to it. and i got my citizenship by being born in the US to parents who are....wait for it...BOTH US CITIZENS. |
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mekku
Joined: 22 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| mekku wrote: |
the U.S. does...
...one of the BIGGEST things wrong with this country! |
Yeah? How'd you get your citizenship? If it was because you were born overseas and through your parents, how did they get theirs? |
i was born here of course! the difference is that my parents weren't border hoppers who came here to have me just so i would be an american and then went back to their own country or used me as an excuse to stay here...
...if you want to go back further then that, my grandmother was full native alaskan so her family had been in alaska since whenever. i don't think they had much choice back when the u.s. bought alaska. but if i was born russian, i would be russian.
to clarify: i have no problem with nations bestowing citizenship upon someone born within their borders. i do however have a HUGE problem with the constant abuse of citizenship through birth that occurs here and elsewhere. and so i do think that governments should be more restrictive in who they allow to become citizens. why should someone who comes in illegally when 7 months pregnant be allowed to stay (illegally) and then have a child who is automatically a citizen?
it's not just here either, i don't think that everyone wants to be american. it happens throughout europe and the rest of the world as well- pretty much anywhere that significantly less advantaged countries are located close to countries that are better off. |
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