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heyrube



Joined: 30 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: air conditioning Reply with quote

My public school won't put on the AC. It was uber hot on Friday and think I was suffering from heat exhaustion. Is there anything I can do?
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Chuggiya55



Joined: 19 May 2008
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: air conditioning Reply with quote

heyrube wrote:
My public school won't put on the AC. It was uber hot on Friday and think I was suffering from heat exhaustion. Is there anything I can do?


LOL! As a Canadian who's happily married to a Korean, let me be the first to tell you that you won't make much headway on this one. Koreans hate to waste money and, to them, using aircon in anything less than 28 to 30 degrees is a complete waste of money.

You could try asking them to put it on, but I guarantee that at least half of the Korean teachers will feel cold and distressed--to Koreans, room temperature should be 24 to 26 degrees. The other half will be "tsk tsking" about how their admin is wasting money to appease foreigners.

BTW, I laugh not to be rude. I laugh because the temperature issue is an ongoing battle between my wife and I. She sleeps completely immersed in a heavy quilt while I lay on top of the bed with the fan blowing on me. (She's still not 100% convinced that sleeping with the fan on is not going to kill me.)

Good luck!
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife doesn't mind me running the aircon-- especially since the school pays for most utilities.

The problem I have is that the school centrally controls all of the aircon units in classes and offices, and they won't even turn on until the temperature reaches a certain number. I believe it's 28 or so.

It ROYALLY pisses me off, and I was so angry about it once that I almost smashed my fist into the controller the first day it got really hot, because nobody had yet set the central control to recognize the hot temperature.

They do this with the heating during winter too, and everyone just brings electric heaters, which suck up more energy and are a fire hazard anyway. Korean logic and obsession with control gone haywire. My coworker was sick this summer, and got very upset when he couldn't turn on the heat. I don't blame him.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget they have some strange ideas about temp. For example, for Koreans the calender is what they base the temp. on and not a thermometer. I have been here 10 years. Every winter it is the same. It is a hot sunny day. The students are packed like sardines in the class. The temp in the room is at least 90 F, they are all wearing their coats, their faces are bright red, and they are dripping with sweat. I suggest they take off their coats. They say no. I say why? They say because it is winter.

I have seen this in kids classes, college classes, university classes, and even evening adult classes with top people from top companies, doctors, lawyers etc. They all say the same thing. It is cold because it is winter.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools have air conditioning? I didn't even know that. I have fans on 3 out of 4 of the walls in my English Zone classroom. Didn't know that there is air conditioning too.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: air conditioning Reply with quote

Chuggiya55 wrote:
heyrube wrote:
My public school won't put on the AC. It was uber hot on Friday and think I was suffering from heat exhaustion. Is there anything I can do?


LOL! As a Canadian who's happily married to a Korean, let me be the first to tell you that you won't make much headway on this one. Koreans hate to waste money and, to them, using aircon in anything less than 28 to 30 degrees is a complete waste of money.

You could try asking them to put it on, but I guarantee that at least half of the Korean teachers will feel cold and distressed--to Koreans, room temperature should be 24 to 26 degrees. The other half will be "tsk tsking" about how their admin is wasting money to appease foreigners.

BTW, I laugh not to be rude. I laugh because the temperature issue is an ongoing battle between my wife and I. She sleeps completely immersed in a heavy quilt while I lay on top of the bed with the fan blowing on me. (She's still not 100% convinced that sleeping with the fan on is not going to kill me.)

Good luck!



Maybe your wife can help answer a question for me. Is fan death covered by life insurance?

PS: I have had many students who are MD's. And some that have been close friends now for many years. They all have told me that fan death is not real. But, they don't say that to their patients because then their patients would not trust them because their patients all know fan death is real. Laughing



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Chuggiya55



Joined: 19 May 2008
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: air conditioning Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
Chuggiya55 wrote:
heyrube wrote:
My public school won't put on the AC. It was uber hot on Friday and think I was suffering from heat exhaustion. Is there anything I can do?


...the temperature issue is an ongoing battle between my wife and I. She sleeps completely immersed in a heavy quilt while I lay on top of the bed with the fan blowing on me. (She's still not 100% convinced that sleeping with the fan on is not going to kill me.)

Good luck!



Maybe your wife can help answer a question for me. Is fan death covered by life insurance?

PS: I have had many students who are MD's. And some that have been close friends now for many years. They all have told me that fan death is not real. But, they don't say that to their patients because then their patients would not trust them because their patients all know fan death is real. Laughing



LOL! That's so funny! I can laugh about it because I know that western doctors do the same kind of BS. Of course, the issues are different (such as, "you seem to have contracted some kind of virus" which actually means "I have no clue as to what the hell is wrong with you"), but the principle is the same--patient appeasement.

Regarding your life insurance question (which I think is very interesting), I'll have to get back to you on that. My wife is currently on vacation in Korea and I'll have to ask her to look into it.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They all say the same thing. It is cold because it is winter


True, that.

The summer version is turning on the air con then opening the window so the air will be fresh.

There is simply no way to win in the Battle of the Temperatures.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've developed a ritual whereby if it's over 25 degrees C in a classroom, I make the class prefect go and get the school maintenance ajoshie to enable me to turn on the 'air con'. Cool CTs inevitably 'freak out' because I also assign a student to close all the windows. Twisted Evil LOL.

So far... no deaths. Rolling Eyes
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heyrube,

You're obviously new to the game.

Just wait until December when Klogic decides to 'kick in'... to reverse. The Ks will have the overhead, air con/heater unit cranked up to 'max' and all the windows open. The kid (wearing a down-filled parka) sitting directly underneath will complain that it's too hot. When you tell him to take off his coat, his reply will be "Teachuh... I can't... it's winter." Crying or Very sad
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heyrube



Joined: 30 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: haha Reply with quote

Thanks for the reality check. I'm not new to the game, just have been in America too long. I worked in a Hagwon in 2005 and they always had AC this time of year and yes the Korean students and teachers were not happy most of the time.

My fiance is Korean and we never have the AC on at night for more than 30 minutes, but we do get a nice breeze going. My body is hot and her's is cold so we compliment each other and sleep well.

Last Friday, even the students were complaining about the heat. The Korean teachers also believed the AC should be on, but the principal won't hear it. It was definitely hot in any gene scheme. I just think our principal is trying to save cash.
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heyrube



Joined: 30 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: my kingdom for a fan Reply with quote

R. S. Refugee wrote:
Public schools have air conditioning? I didn't even know that. I have fans on 3 out of 4 of the walls in my English Zone classroom. Didn't know that there is air conditioning too.


ha. I wish we had some fans. I'll ask them to get me one and see how that goes.

Yes, this school has central air.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do I handle the AC thing?

When I was on an E2 I basically said if I can't get air conditioning I would wear shorts, a t-shirt and sandals (which I did my last year before I got married I remember in September the supervisor asked me why I was still wearing shorts...I told her because it was still over 25 degrees outside. Yes the Chicken is right in that Koreans look at the calander not the temperature.)

My last school job they provided me with AC and let me have access to the central control in the main office, so that if it was hot out I could turn it on for my area of the building and be cool.

On an F2 now, at my present place they didn't want to turn it on before June 1st because of government regulations...we had a few days at the end of May that were 28-30 degrees.

I essentially told them I would not teach in such conditions, so either they get the AC going or I'd find another place to work that would. One of the reasons I took the job as I saw they had good air conditioning setup, and it makes the summer go much faster than sweating your arse off with fans and having students ask every 5mins why their FT has huge pit sweats going.

To the OP, if the school won't put any AC on, come to work in shorts and a t-shirt. Then explain that it is too hot for you. I explained in it terms they could understand: I am used to cold climates and heavy AC in the summer. While the winters here aren't that cold, the summers are unbearable. I get heat stroke easily and need to stay cool or I get sick. Sick=no work...I take my health more seriously than any teaching job. If you let them know in a very serious way, you should get some type of compromise.
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heyrube



Joined: 30 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks mr pink.

I would do that but I really like wearing my buttoned down with tie to work. It makes me feel professional and the kids really respect me more (it makes me look older.) I guess a lot of this is my fault because of the clothes I like to wear.


But I'm telling you guys. It was too hot for everybody last Friday. The principle is the only one stopping the AC arrival.
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JJJ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct that there is a strange Klogic (love that word) going on, but I also think that possibly they are built differently. What I mean is, they don't sweat as much. I walked into the teachers office in school this morning and as usual, its a sauna in there. Some teachers are wearing suits, the ladies have sweaters on, one has a light jacket and no one has put on a single fan, even though we have 4 huge floor models.

Of course, I am sweating a storm, toweling my face, standing in front of the fan that I switched on. Same at my gym, one a/c on, in this huge space and 25 windows open and it's boiling. I ask if they could put the others on, or if I could close the windows and they look at me like I have an arrow in my head. Funny, but maybe there bodies just work differently than us westerners. I dunno, just a thought.
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