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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Drop the F Word Reply with quote

An interesting article about the "f" word. Any opinions? Do you like being called by the "f" word? Would you call others by the "f" word? What is the future like here when you no longer hear the "f" word? Don't know what I mean, have a read of the article below.

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Drop the F Word

Dear editor,

It's painful to watch well-intentioned Koreans inadvertently utter a loaded word that immediately creates distance and disparity at a time when we should all be trying to come together. That word in question is the ubiquitous term foreigner.

Deeply ingrained in parlance, to many it seems completely natural for Koreans to describe people who come from foreign countries as ``foreigners."

We concede that foreigner is a step up from that old chestnut alien, but a small change in usage would do wonders for Korea's relationship with the outside world.

So what are the best alternatives to ``foreigner?" Well, when it comes to translating the Korean equivalent woegukin (외국인) into English, we recommend internationals, foreign nationals, or expatriates. Actually, the term visitor or guest will often suffice.

The most important point to bear in mind is that, time and again, there is no need to use a special word at all. The test is whether the statement made applies only to those whose citizenship is not Korean. If that is not the case, then follow Occam's razor which states that all things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.

Remember that millions of ethnic Koreans are citizens of other nations and a growing number of expatriates have received Korean citizenship. Furthermore, one in ten rural marriages are now binational.

Is it apt to label the wives (mothers of Korean children) in such marriages as foreigners? The people hurt by such talk are not visitors from abroad but the Korean children who struggle to understand why such a distinction is necessary.

We welcome Korea's emergence as a responsible global actor. Hand in hand with that step forward comes the end of an age of homogeneity and simplified labels.

Korea has a bright future ahead in which its citizens can speak proudly of being Vietnamese-Korean, Mongolian-Korean, etc. When that day comes, Korea will have come of age.

Neil Routman
Speechwriter for the minister of knowledge economy
[email protected]
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Frankly Mr Shankly



Joined: 13 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally fuckin concur.
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah , it seems a little wierd to label people of various ethinicities and nationalities under one single label.

To wrap my mind around it I thought of what we'd call "foriegners" in my home country. We'd almost always refer to them by their nationality or some kind of nick name(pommie , aussie , yank etc). But it'd never make us think the person in question was in anyway much different to us. The idea of saying "the foriegner" is very strange to me because it seem to brand and define someone not by what they are , but what they aren't.....(Korean).
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thematrixiam



Joined: 31 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

back home the term was immigrant... but it was used less often and more light hearted. When it was used it was either as a joke, or in reference to conversation about someones past. Never as a label.

I am definately not a fan of the overuse of waygook.... as well as, Delicious.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the Korean term for foreigner, it basically means an outsider who is not Korean.
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Frankly Mr Shankly



Joined: 13 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I hate the Korean term for foreigner, it basically means an outsider who is not Korean.


Yep, and it will stay that way until the drouges at the edu ministry and the national socialists who run the teachers union decide to stop preaching this one blood nonsense under the guise of ethics classes. It will also take a great scaling back of the stereotyping that is associated in general assumptions about outsiders. Until that time I guess our best course of action is to make weyguk a reclaimed term like African Americans did with nigger and the GBLT community did with queer.
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thematrixiam



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Sup my waygook'
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korean, if you say, "네 겁," ('Your cup') backwards, it says, 'Fucken.'
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Insidejohnmalkovich



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a foreigner in Korea, you are a foreigner in Korea, we are all foreigners in Korea. <shrugs>
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insidejohnmalkovich wrote:
I am a foreigner in Korea, you are a foreigner in Korea, we are all foreigners in Korea. <shrugs>

True in the definitive sense, but it is divisive as it connotes that we do not belong.

The author noted that visitor or guest is acceptable, but I disagree. I've been here 12 years. Visitors and guests do not stay that long. I am a resident of Korea (no need to note that I am not Korean) or an expatriate (if you must note that I am not Korean).
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nebraska1



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually what's more bizarre is when they travel outside Korea, the people that live in the country they are visiting are also called waegook or waegookin. To me that is just hysterical. If they go to Cambodia the Cambodians are foreigners, same for Thailand etc. Ya gotta love the consistency don't cha know.

N1
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if there were no foreigners in Korea? There was a time not too long ago when that was a reality. Would they still have pictures of blonde haired women in advertisements?
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell one particular jackass "you Asians are odd that way" and I will continue-he doesn't struggle with the langauge, he's a condescending *beep*; so as he has done unto others, so it will be done unto him.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans like to draw some pretty clear lines about who is what; or rather, who is Korean and who is not, but it keeps getting harder. Kyopos must cause some confusion. This whole need for a certain identity doesn't seem to really help anyone that much.
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Justin Kimberlake



Joined: 20 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insidejohnmalkovich wrote:
I am a foreigner in Korea, you are a foreigner in Korea, we are all foreigners in Korea. <shrugs>


Yeah, except for the fact that Koreans address each other by title, such as "teacher," and we are referred to as "the foreigner." Heaven forbid I should also be referred to as "teacher X" when they are talking about me across the room.
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