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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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 Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: Iran helping Al Qaeda |
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How dare John McCain say something that is probably true.
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Iran: Leader of the Sunni Movements
20/06/2008
By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed
Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed
the general manager of Al -Arabiya television. Mr. Al Rashed is also the former editor-in-chief of Asharq Al- Awsat, and the leading Arabic weekly magazine, Al Majalla. He is also a senior Columnist in the daily newspapers of Al Madina and Al Bilad. He is a US post-graduate degree in mass communications. He has been a guest on many TV current affairs programs. He is currently based in Dubai.
Paradoxically, Iran, an extremist theocratic Shiite regime with Ahmadinejad at its helm, is orchestrating and funding the activities of extremist Sunnis in the region.
The paradox is most striking in the case of Al-Qaeda, the most extremist Sunni organization, which has joined, in the full sense of the word, the Iranian apparatus. The alliance between the two enemies began in the wake of the defeat of Al-Qaeda and the organization's flight from Afghanistan to all Sunni countries. The first group of Al-Qaeda, which was led by Egyptian national Saif Al-Adel, and included Saad bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's son, fled to Iran immediately after the fall of the Taliban regime. I do not know whether the first group of Al-Qaeda entered Iran by mistake, after its members roamed aimlessly in the rugged mountainous region on the Pakistani-Afghan border, or as a result of contacts who arranged for the Iranian hosting. We were initially puzzled by the rumors that Iran had arrested a group of fleeing Al-Qaeda members who crossed its border from Afghanistan, only to realize later that the story had far deeper implications. The investigators of the attack that Al-Qaeda carried out in Riyadh found evidence indicating that the operation came from Iran and that the perpetrators were Al-Qaeda members. This was confirmed after satellite mobile telephone recordings were discovered between Saif Al-Adel and the Saudi commander of the group. The communication clearly showed that the call originated in Iran. Those concerned with this were surprised because Iran did not deny the call, but quickly admitted that it had a number of Al-Qaeda members in a certain prison. It justified the incident by saying that the group members perhaps broke the rules of their hosting. Crude though it was, the justification might have been deliberate. Perhaps Iran wanted to tell concerned parties that it was now in control of Al-Qaeda. In the past four years, the largest number of Al-Qaeda members have made Iran their headquarters. It has even been suggested that Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who some consider to be Al-Qaeda's actual leader, is also being hosted by Iran, as evidenced by his many relaxed audio and video statements, and especially his famous public criticism of the late Al-Qaeda agent in Iraq, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, for attacking Shiites.
Like any other extremist Sunni organization, Al-Qaeda does not consider Shiites and other Muslim sects to be Sunnis or followers of the Prophet's family, and therefore it must fight against them. I do not want to give further evidence of Iran's pragmatism. It is an extremist, theocratic Shiite regime that holds Sunnis as infidels. Proof of this is that Iran's followers committed massacres and evicted people from their homes in a way unprecedented in Iraq's history. Iran today wants to attain its goals regardless of the weapons used. It funds and sponsors all extremist Sunni groups like the Palestinian Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other extremist Sunni groups in north Lebanon and North Africa. It was recently suggested that Iran even supports the Sudanese Justice and Equality Movement, which attempted to stage a coup against Sudanese President Omar Hassan Al-Bashir's regime. I still doubt the veracity of this story.
Regrettably, in politics Shiite and Sunni extremism and differences are being used. The differences between Shiites and Sunnis were originally acceptable in an ideological framework, although I maintain that differences are fabricated. I do not rule out the possibility of a dispute erupting in the future between Iran and Iraqi Shiites, because Tehran aims to dominate Iraq. If it tries to control Iraq, Iran will clash with major forces in Iraq. Those who wager on political sectarianism had better think hard before they are shocked by the realities of political opportunism. |
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=13145
Here is another secret : the anti war movement wants news of what Iran
really does covered up in order to avoid war. Just like they want the fact that Saddam Hussein was a sponsor of terror covered up.
Remember MOVE ON was against the US hitting at Afghanistan. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| In the event that this is true, and please forgive me for feeling a tad burnt by the myriad of intelligence predictions that led to the 2003 invasion, does this then mean that blowing the country skyhigh is now a must? Really, what of it? Our friends in Saudiland are more responsible than any other state for AQ's financial health pre-9/11. Shall we bring them democracy too? Shit, we're sharing nuclear technology (civilian) information with them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| In the event that this is true, and please forgive me for feeling a tad burnt by the myriad of intelligence predictions that led to the 2003 invasion, does this then mean that blowing the country skyhigh is now a must? Really, what of it? Our friends in Saudiland are more responsible than any other state for AQ's financial health pre-9/11. Shall we bring them democracy too? Shit, we're sharing nuclear technology (civilian) information with them. |
No there is a better way for dealing with Iran. But the record on Iran ought to be clear. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it is a shitty islamic state. What else is new? Thankfully the koran is about as solid a guide how to run a country as Das Capital and the mullahs aren't even able to turn an epic oil bounty into sustainable economic growth. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, it is a shitty islamic state. What else is new? Thankfully the koran is about as solid a guide how to run a country as Das Capital and the mullahs aren't even able to turn an epic oil bounty into sustainable economic growth. |
It is also a pretty aggressive country that has been killing Americans for a while.
While the US ought not bomb Iran - not now anyway the US would be completely justified for doing such. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Right. So what? What should we make of this? What is to be done?
If you're referencing the hostage taking, the US should have found nefarious ways to punish (kill) all the bastards who did it (and should still be hunting them today, lest they all be dead). If you are referencing the sending of bombs etc to Iraq to attack American soldiers then I don't really know what to tell you. If Iran invaded Mexico you can be damn sure that a few of them would die by American deeds.
But yes, we agree Joo. It is an aggressive, backwards and all together disagreeable (with a surprisingly agreeable people) country. So what do we do about it? I have few ideas beyond "don't attack". |
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Jandar
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I am of a "feeling" that the French will do something about Iran.
I don't think there will be a direct conventional attack, but I doubt that Iran will get a functioning bomb.
That would be the logical way to appease the Israelis. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Right. So what? What should we make of this? What is to be done?
If you're referencing the hostage taking, the US should have found nefarious ways to punish (kill) all the bastards who did it (and should still be hunting them today, lest they all be dead). If you are referencing the sending of bombs etc to Iraq to attack American soldiers then I don't really know what to tell you. If Iran invaded Mexico you can be damn sure that a few of them would die by American deeds.
But yes, we agree Joo. It is an aggressive, backwards and all together disagreeable (with a surprisingly agreeable people) country. So what do we do about it? I have few ideas beyond "don't attack". |
The US needs to invest in an insurance policy.
An Insurance policy
If Iran behaves themselves then they won't have a problem. If they do any kind of terror attack like at Kobar then they will loose their nuclear program. Iran's nuclear program is not longer an asset but rather a hostage. Most everything Iran wanted to gain from having nuclear weapons is now gone.
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they must not be allowed the strategic benefits of possessing nuclear weapons. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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What, the 3/4 trillion dollar military isn't enough already?
I read recently in Canada's National Post that hezballah cells in Canada had been activated to attack Jewish targets in the West. Iran will commit more terrorism. What then? Do we drive oil to 300$ a barrel and risk a total war in the region by raining rods from god upon them? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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What, the 3/4 trillion dollar military isn't enough already?
I read recently in Canada's National Post that hezballah cells in Canada had been activated to attack Jewish targets in the West. Iran will commit more terrorism. What then? Do we drive oil to 300$ a barrel and risk a total war in the region by raining rods from god upon them? |
The US doesn't have the right weapons for Iran now.
This is just not another big bomb like a daisy cutter.
In fact if Iran wants to keep going it then the US can hit them again and can use such systems to kill off the entire Iranian government and destroy its military . The US can leave the nation of Iran without a government. Conflict over.
If Hizzbollah if they wants to get into the act then the US ought to hit them as well. If they think bunkers would protect them from such systems (like in their war with Israel) then they are sadly mistaken.
Iran wants nuclear weapons well they can have them but then they will be expected to behave themselves. If Iran has nuclear weapons then they have to quit the terror business. They can't have both.
With the right weapons the US can force the strategic balance back with Iran back to where the US is quite comfortable. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The US doesn't have the right weapons for Iran now. |
I seriously doubt that.
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In fact if Iran wants to keep going it then the US can hit them again and can use such systems to kill off the entire Iranian government and destroy its military . The US can leave the nation of Iran without a government. Conflict over. |
That would be 'conflict started'. Paul Bremmer showed us fairly clearly what happens when you remove a totalitarian state from the neck of religious/ethnic hatred. Iran would turn on itself and the chaos would be unimaginable.
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| If Hizzbollah if they wants to get into the act then the US ought to hit them as well. |
If they attacked the US, then sure. If they attack Canada, that is our problem. We'll have a diversity commission and decide we shouldn't be so mean. Feel free to allow Canada to die by her own regard. Ditto for the UK and elsewhere. America doesn't need to defend earth. My country would be much better off if the American military umbrella were lifted from our sky. We need to grow up and start acting like a country, not an NGO. So does Europe. I don't think hezballa would dare attack inside the US.
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Iran wants nuclear weapons well they can have them but then they will be expected to behave themselves. If Iran has nuclear weapons then they have to quit the terror business. They can't have both.
With the right weapons the US can force the strategic balance back with Iran back to where the US is quite comfortable. |
The problem isn't available weapons but the devastating economic consequences from any attack. If you think America or Israel is actually going to attack, you should buy some energy indexes. The price of oil will blow up. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| The US doesn't have the right weapons for Iran now. |
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I seriously doubt that. |
The intel company Stratfor said that only nuclear bombing would bring Iran to its knees.
Well such a system would also bring Iran to its knees.
This isn't shock and awe. It is the apocalypse.
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That would be 'conflict started'. Paul Bremmer showed us fairly clearly what happens when you remove a totalitarian state from the neck of religious/ethnic hatred. Iran would turn on itself and the chaos would be unimaginable. |
F**K Iran. If they can't behave then it they will get what they deserve. And another enemy of the US will bite the dust forever.
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| If Hizzbollah if they wants to get into the act then the US ought to hit them as well. |
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If they attacked the US, then sure. If they attack Canada, that is our problem. We'll have a diversity commission and decide we shouldn't be so mean. Feel free to allow Canada to die by her own regard. Ditto for the UK and elsewhere. America doesn't need to defend earth. My country would be much better off if the American military umbrella were lifted from our sky. We need to grow up and start acting like a country, not an NGO. So does Europe. I don't think hezballa would dare attack inside the US. |
But Iran has been after the US for a long time. It is not acceptable.
They want nuclear weapons to change the strategic equation well the US can force it back.
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The problem isn't available weapons but the devastating economic consequences from any attack. If you think America or Israel is actually going to attack, you should buy some energy indexes. The price of oil will blow up. |
The problem is that Iran would use nuclear weapons to shield themselves from the consequences of supporting terror. Not acceptable. Iran can say if you hit us for being behind terror we will destroy the world oil supply.
Not acceptable.
Look at how NK intimidates South Korea. The mideast is much more unstable than that.
If Iran behaves themselves then they won't have a problem , if they don't then in the end then they will get hurt - badly.
If the US invests in the right weapons then the Iranian nuclear problem is solved. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, looks like we've hit a wall. Gotta agree to disagree. |
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Beej
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| The US doesn't have the right weapons for Iran now. |
I seriously doubt that.
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In fact if Iran wants to keep going it then the US can hit them again and can use such systems to kill off the entire Iranian government and destroy its military . The US can leave the nation of Iran without a government. Conflict over. |
That would be 'conflict started'. Paul Bremmer showed us fairly clearly what happens when you remove a totalitarian state from the neck of religious/ethnic hatred. Iran would turn on itself and the chaos would be unimaginable.
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| If Hizzbollah if they wants to get into the act then the US ought to hit them as well. |
If they attacked the US, then sure. If they attack Canada, that is our problem. We'll have a diversity commission and decide we shouldn't be so mean. Feel free to allow Canada to die by her own regard. Ditto for the UK and elsewhere. America doesn't need to defend earth. My country would be much better off if the American military umbrella were lifted from our sky. We need to grow up and start acting like a country, not an NGO. So does Europe. I don't think hezballa would dare attack inside the US.
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Iran wants nuclear weapons well they can have them but then they will be expected to behave themselves. If Iran has nuclear weapons then they have to quit the terror business. They can't have both.
With the right weapons the US can force the strategic balance back with Iran back to where the US is quite comfortable. |
The problem isn't available weapons but the devastating economic consequences from any attack. If you think America or Israel is actually going to attack, you should buy some energy indexes. The price of oil will blow up. |
You said it. The US supplying the security umbrella for Europe for the last 60 years has ruined that continent. Europeans have grown up thinking that peace and prosperity are the default conditions of humanity. This has greatly scewed their world view. Not too mention they have grown so accustomed to overly generous , unsustainable welfare states that were made possible only because they didnt have to pay for defense. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Not too mention they have grown so accustomed to overly generous , unsustainable welfare states that were made possible only because they didnt have to pay for defense. |
What is really strange about Europe/Canada is that people have decided to stop having babies. Entire ethnicities/nationalities are on their way to the historical dustbin. Korea and Japan too. |
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